1.Roadman, I want to talk about COVID, COVID restrictions

Roadman, I want to talk about COVID, COVID restrictions. Let's welcome to the podcast, Barry Murray. Cue that intro! The big question is this. How do we use cycling as a tool to improve our health, our happiness, and our longevity? That is the question and this podcast will give you the answers. My name is Anthony Welch, and welcome to the Roadman Podcast. Well, man, welcome back to the roadman cycling podcast. Today I've got a roadman cycling podcast with a little bit of a twist, a little bit of a difference. Our goal is it's health, it's happiness and longevity. And when anything is infringing on health, happiness and longevity, I feel it is incumbent on me to address these issues. And I've long sat on my hands around the COVID debate and where I stand on it because I just felt, you know what? You're a lot happier in life when you control your controllables and don't get sucked into the drama that goes with politics and government decisions But it's starting to etch into people's happiness and I have friends who it's affecting them Personally and the 5k restrictions just seem like they need challenging So my goal with the podcast is and hopefully this is the first of two parts on the COVID podcast It's not for me to give you my opinion because I'm not super well educated in this area, but it's to bring in people that are super well read in this area, people who are super well educated from both sides of the divide, people who are pro mask, pro lockdown and the other side anti mask, anti lockdown. A frustration of mine and a cause for alarm has been the fact that we haven't in mainstream traditional media facilitated an open debate with credible academics on both sides of the So that's what I'm very much looking to do today. So today on the podcast, I have Barry Murray. Barry might be someone familiar with you. If you're a cycling fan, Barry was the nutritionist for BMC pro cycling, but Barry is also a BSC in chemistry and he's an MSC in sports exercise nutrition. He's a scientist and he's a lecturer and he's an academic and he's somebody who's put a lot of time and effort into researching COVID, lockdowns, restrictions, under effects both scientifically, physiologically, economically, and it's a discussion that has illuminated a perspective on COVID and lockdowns that I previously haven't heard. It's super interesting chat, and my plan with this is to bring in another academic that is pro mask, pro lockdown, pro restrictions, pro-neffered pro-government policies. So if you are such an academic or you know such an academic, you might reach out to me over on my Instagram. That's just roadman.dot cycling over on Instagram. And I would love to chat with you to balance up this discussion. Okay, folks, just before I jump into the podcast, let me remind you about Patreon, because Patreon is hell, we're able to fund these. Patreon's hell, we're able to take the time to dig into research these, hell, we're able to get amazing academics Barry to come on the podcast and give his opinions on things that are truly affecting the quality of our lives at the moment. So to support the podcast, go ahead over to patreon.com forward slash Anthony underscore watch and you can buy me the price of a point of beer once a month to support the podcast and keep it roaring week after week. Okay, folks, we've pushed this one off long enough. The moment you have been waiting for. Welcome to the Roman podcast, Mr. Barry Morrie. Welcome back, should I say, Barry? Yeah, well, back in August it was, I think we were talking about stuff that I'm generally passionate about, which is nutrition and performance and general health and fitness. But it's hard to not, it's hard to ignore what's going on around us now with this COVID debacle. here I'll just tell you straight up I am as I am studying as much now the whole COVID thing as I am like nutrition I've parked I've kind of like kind of like done with nutrition for now that's after 10 years of digging into a lot of like have deep deep research and now I'm looking at everything related to pure lockdown, papers on lockdown, infection, fatality rates, the PCR tests and all that kind of stuff, because it's directly affecting everybody's life and it's hard to ignore. So, Brian, sort of a quote or mantra I'm hearing over and over again from the mainstream media is Follow the Science. Yeah. But there's a worrying lack of debate around this kind of Follow the Science, because educated voices on one side of the base are saying, okay, well, lockdowns are scientific and here's the reasons why and then they state their scientific reasons. But there's an increasing number of experts, very credible experts. We're not talking tinfoil, hash conspiracy theory, we're talking very mainstream academics and scientists on the far side of the base. But when they go to invoke science to reduce the initial scientific claim, the debate very much moves from one of logic and science to one of emotion very fast.

2.Hold on, you want to have a debate about this

Hold on, you want to have a debate about this? You want your granita? It's that switch. It's almost people can see it happen. It's that switch from logic and science to emotion. It's a little bait and switch. That's happening over and over again. Yep. So what that is proving though is that the actual data relating to the logic and science is not being actually debated. And it's not being debated because the data that supports lockdowns and that supports all of these restrictions is so weak that in order for them to continue the fear mongering and to continue manipulating people's way of thinking, they have to use emotion and, you know, and through that emotion, they're trying to get people to be fearful. And that's what they're, that's what they're kind of stick is, so to speak, it's not data, it's not theory, it's not, It's not science. It's the, it's the, it's the remote, it's neuro-linguistic programming almost. Like, you know, they're trying to manipulate people's, the rational, logical, scientific part of people's brains is no longer what is being used. Because if you use a rational, logical, scientific part of your brain to assess lockdowns and masks and social distancing, it will, it will very clearly tell you that they all have very, very little supporting evidence to justify their use, particularly 12 months later is where we're, like as of tomorrow, and so we're 12 months from, you know, in Ireland into this lockdown situation, you know. Right, so let's take this. I think if it mokes to the big points on the head I wanna cover in this. And my goal with this podcast, it's not to jump on one side of the bait. It's to facilitate at the bait, which I'm not seeing happening in the mainstream media. I'm only seeing one group of scientists getting to have their side to debate. You're a very credible scientific voice on the order side to debate, and that's what I'm looking to facilitate. I'm trying to remain relatively neutral, but obviously I'm gonna have my own inbuilt prejudices which are unavoidable. But let's start out with lockdowns, because when I think about lockdowns, I think about people being forced inside and correct me if I'm wrong here, I've seen no scientific evidence to show the COVID spread outside and I have done a little bit of digging to peer reviewed articles and I couldn't find any article to show COVID spread outside. I found plenty to show it spreads inside. Lockdown is forced must all inside. It's the privacy of sunlight, exercise, vitamin D, instances of drug addiction or mental health, overdose, domestic violence, suicide. And again, none of these are being debated. So maybe instead of that that question is very broad. So just to tighten that up a bit for you, rather than focus on the lack of the beige because that's something we both acknowledge is happening. Talk to me about lockdowns and duty work and the efficacy behind that. Well, you almost have, you know, you use the rhetorical question there because everything that you just said there makes complete sense that why, why, why, we, so to kind of summarize what you just said there, this is the first time we have ever quarantined healthy people, okay? A quarantine by definition is for people who are sick. Quarantine is used to isolate sick people. This is the first time we have ever quarantined healthy people. Secondly, how I became very skeptical of this was back in last April was when my skeptical head really started going, what's going on here? I listened to Professor John Giesik, he's a Swedish scientific advisor and a straight-talking guy, he's actually still working for the WHO. He was actually brought in as an advisor to the Irish government. The Irish government, would you believe, had a review committee for the lockdown and for Nefit, it was run by a TD called Michael McNamara, but anyway, they brought this same guy in, Professor John Gizek, right? So very credible guy. Back in April, he was on, I don't know if you listen to the podcast called Unheard, right? It's very good podcast, very straight talking guy, and he said, lockdown is used for two to four week period when you have a new novel, a pathogen or a novel virus. Well, that way it says to me it's a stars. Like the 12 days to flatten the core of it or whatever it was. Yeah. I got into that. But before we to assess, because within those two to four weeks, you can assess the severity of the cases and of the deaths. And if you can go back and look at our graph, our graph of cases and deaths was falling by the end of April, which meant that it was completely a seasonal, respiratory standard virus that is following all of the same patterns as every other flu and everything else that we've ever had. And that two to four week period is where you shut down right. You never lock down, we've never locked down longer than that before.

3.Since then, if you go on to overcoming this website, he's an Irish…

Right. And since then, if you go on to overcoming this website, he's an Irish problem solver data analyst guy, he's he's he's now got 30 articles and scientific papers that clearly are showing the ineffectiveness of lockdowns. I mean, there's about four or five really strong, like, you know, actual, like scientific papers that have shown that lockdowns do not reduce mortalities. And the other angle that you then have to, this would have, you're kind of kind of a business kind of guy, the cost benefit analysis is something that was never looked at, regardless of whether you think locking down people telling them to stay inside works, which I'm saying it doesn't. You didn't have to ask, does locking down the society and the economy and people's lives are there costs to those things? And of course there are. Like my own degrad in economics, we called that an externality. What's the unintended side effects of your action? So what's the unintended side effects in this case of lockdown? But it needs a debate around those. Like, because there is a point that if, you know, there's a threshold number of suicides that's unacceptable to justify the lockdown, there's a threshold number of mental health disorders that becomes unacceptable. There's a threshold number of only employment that becomes unacceptable. There's a threshold of addiction that becomes unacceptable. But whatever's known these numbers and having an open debate about it, we can't make an informed decision about the validity of the lockdown. Yeah, so you have a situation where the actual process itself, lockdown as a strategy scientifically has no support that it actually works. In other words, they say lockdown is to reduce debts and to reduce cases. And there are papers now, there's like a Lancet paper, which is a very credible journal showing that this is not the case. And now we have, so people go, one of the arguments is, well, the reason why we didn't have high cases or high debts is because we were locked down, right? In other words, people say, oh, we're locked down. If we don't know how many more people would have died because we were locked down, you know? So lockdown must have worked again. But we don't have a control group. The way you assess any strategy or any, do any experiment is you have two groups. You apply the protocol to one group, and to the other group, you have a placebo or you don't do anything. Now, we have loads of countries around the world that didn't do much, okay, but you don't hear this in the news, okay? You've got places like Belarus and Serbia, And you know, you were in Costa Rica. You've got places that didn't do much and a lot of South Africa, a lot of Africa, you know, Kenya and Ethiopia and places did very little. And their, you know, fatality rate is less than ours per capita or per million or whatever, you know? So why aren't lockdowns working? Because like intuitively it does seem to me that if the disease spreads by close contact with someone, if you remove close contact, you remove the chance of the disease spread. Yeah, well, that discretes into an even deeper debate that we wouldn't have time for today that is, what actually causes contagion? As in, would you believe that this would be a really deep discussion, but there is still not a research paper that exists that shows that viruses can be transmitted from a sick person to a healthy person. They've actually done studies where they have infected people and uninfected people together and they haven't come to a conclusion. They haven't verified like there's a lot of people that don't get sick. Yeah. Okay. So we just still don't know so much about how this is transmitted. We don't know. We still like the virus theory is still up for debate as to how viruses actually function, how they transmit, how they actually make people sick, right? So that's a separate discussion. But lockdowns in terms of isolating people's movements and telling people that they can't go outside because you made a point that we can discuss here before we started this podcast. Being outside still has no, there is still no evidence with all this COVID testing taking place all over the world. They still have not found, you know, with all this contact tracing and all this kind of stuff that's going on, they still have not found or detected someone being infected in the outdoors from COVID. Everything relates to the contact tracing all comes back to indoor settings. None of it comes from outdoors. And they actually- Why are we- Sorry to go across the road. So why are we, as a cyclist, this is super topical for me. And I'll tell everyone now, I haven't obeyed the 5K restriction. I think it's a lot of shit. And it's, you know, I've my own, you know, it's back to, there's a legal code and there's a moral code. And I have my own moral code.

4.At some points, it'll diverge from the legal code

And at some points, it'll diverge from the legal code. At 99% of the time, it lines up with the legal code. But on stuff like this, I just, I follow my moral code and it doesn't seem right to trap people inside a 5K radius when there's no science to justify that. No. Why are they pursuing this 5K agenda? I'll tell you very simply why this is happening. Why these restrictions on our livelihoods and our way of living, why they are being made to create so much confusion and so much unhappiness in society that it leads you to concluding my only way out of this bullshit is if I take the vaccine. It's a complete coercion strategy because there is no science behind 5k, there's now no science behind locking people down. There's actually no very little science behind masks, but what do all these things do? They make you really fed up, they make you unhappy, they're making a lot of people depressed, causing suicides and a lot of people then are there essentially then just being hacked away into submission. That's what it is. It's to create you, it's to cause you to lie down and say, I can't take this anymore. I'll go with this vaccine thing. One of the things that worried me a lot, obviously my background is, you know, it's cycling culture, but it's for the better part of my life, it's been law. And I still have, you know, acute interest in law. The erosion of privacy at the very start was something that really worried me. I'm not sure. Are you familiar with the Stanford Prison Experiment? No, remind me. It's not for prison, it's sort of a social psychology experiment that I attempted to investigate the psychological effects of perceived power and kind of focus on the struggle between prisoners and prison officers. Well the kind of crooks of it and why it's relevant is when you give somebody more power that act to the maximum extent of that power you give them and they will really really do everything they can to give back that power. So we've given the governments, the police, an extraordinary power temporarily for 12 days or whatever it was to flatten the core of initially. And this has been mission creep into this totally different thing now that it went from we're doing it at the start because we don't want hospitals overwhelmed. But now the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, but mission creep has spread into where we can still just avoid the lockdown because we want to get to zero cases. There's a question here, because my understanding of the testing is, even if COVID has disappeared tomorrow, zero cases is an impossibility even without the existence of COVID, with the amount we're testing at the moment. Maybe I'm completely wrong on that. That's my understanding. So the biggest house of card issue regarding this whole crisis is related to the testing. In other words, it was the first thing I was pissed off with the lockdowns and especially when I I was very pissed off which had the invasion on your privacy but no I was pissed off with your it's the taking away my civil rights and and freedom and civil rights you know. But the testing was the scientific part that I was interested in because I was going to ask myself, the way they are just to find these lockdowns is on testing how many people are infected and testing the those who pass away are being whether like how how they are being labeled as COVID deaths is based on again on the testing okay it's not actually based on autopsies and how how they actually died. It's actually based on, did they test positive for COVID? Yes, then there are COVID debt. So what's the distinction here, died with COVID or died from COVID? It's completely, it's been announced by our health departments and all health departments and governments all over the world. It is died with. And with means that you have only been tested positive. So to go back to the actual testing, the testing is called PCOR testing, right? I won't get into how it works or whatever, but bottom line. There has been a massive investigation into the validity of the PCR testing. And it was brought so far that 22 doctors and scientists actually have written a paper to show 10 different issues related to the PCR testing. and how high the false positive rating and reading can be. And not only that, but how invalid PCOR testing is when it is used for mass testing the population. In other words, governments all around the world, especially here in Ireland, have been using, oh, it's 500 cases now, or it's gone up to 7,000 cases. we have to shut down and go to the next level of lockdown. You know, instead of going 20K, you can only go 5K, you now have to wear two masks instead of one mask, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All of the restrictions are based on a test that is invalid, scientifically invalid, okay?

5.Because it comes down to what's the test doing

Because it comes down to what's the test doing? It's testing a fragment of the the the orana of the virus. That fragment is then magnified. And in Ireland it's magnified by 40 to 45 times. Which means when you go over that, when you go to that high of a magnification level, you start seeing, you start detecting lots of other things. You know there's this, like what COVID is, it's called SARS-CoV-2. There's a SARS-CoV-1, which is the common cult, which is very similar. When you look at it under that kind of magnification, and you look at a fragment of it, to SARS-CoV-2. Hence why Anto could go and get tested tomorrow and get tested positive for COVID-19. When it could be SARS-CoV-1, it could be a false positive. It actually could be very, lots of other types of viruses, right? And if you notice over the winter, flu disappeared, right? So just before we jump on to flu and leave the testing, so is there a base in academics? because as I said, my goal in this is to facilitate the debate on both sides. Are academics across the board in agreements that there's a problem with this testing? Or is this? It's back to everything related to media and related to mainstream issues. The academics that are unattached and that you know who the best academics are, the retired ones, right? I've got the best information of the retired professors, right? There's really, really top credible guys. I won't go through them all, but anyway, long story short, the retired ones are actually the ones coming out with the truth. They've not the lyrics. Yeah, they've not the lyrics and they're not getting paid anymore. Whereas if you go to an academic here in Ireland in UCD or Trinity, they all have conflict of interests, right? The big academics that you hear on Irish Radio are Dr. Luke O'Neill, Sam McConkie, Tommas Ryan. These are guys that are all linked financially to pharmaceutical companies. That's a problem. That's a huge problem. Even if you take the scientific arguments out of it and just focus on conflict of interest, you'll find the Irish Nefit, the public health emergency team, the English version of that is called Sage, S-A-G-E. And I think the last time I looked, three quarters, 75% of these teams have got conflict of interest. Well, there's a legal saying that we have to, you know, to qualify yourself or excuse yourself in case if you're representing a client, even if you have like an interest that's so passing in the outcome that it's not relevant at all. Exactly. The idea is that justice mustn't just be done, that justus must also be seen to be done. That if there's any potential conflict or roising, you need to excuse yourself from that. Just doesn't seem like that's happened. Sorry, Anthony, just to sum up on the sum of the PCR testing issue. To show people how deep this has gone in terms of resistance, there's actually a lawyer and doctors group in Germany. Okay, it's headed up by one of the most world's most well-known class action lawsuit guys. His name is Dr. Fulmic. Okay, he brought Volkswagen to court a few years ago about the emissions scandal. Okay, I think I sent you a video a few weeks ago. Anyway, they have launched an actual legal case against the PCR testing supported by a group of lawyers and a group of doctors because of the issues with it, that they're basically saying that it's invalid to be used as a public health. This is so alarming because if you take, the testing is the core of everything they're doing. Exactly. If the testing doesn't work, it's nearly the fruit of the poison tree. Yes. That sub-cards falls down. Yeah. So, like almost so far to just, the testing doesn't work and the lockdowns, we can't actually assess, Even if you park the idea that the testing doesn't work, which is a big leap, but we'll suspend that for a second and you move to the lockdowns, we're not getting the data to even see if the lockdowns are justifiable because we don't know how many suicides there has been excess this year. We don't know the degree to the mental health stuff. And something that's not going to be seen for years, you know, I have friends and I don't know what the recommendation is, but I know it's every year or every two years to go in for cervical smears and things like this early detection on the cancer. This is suspended. Now these deaths aren't going to be accounted for until six, seven years away when they caught these early, blasted the cancers and the cancers are eradicated. Now this is going to be life-changing, potentially life-ending six, seven years down the road. So where's the long tail effect it is? It just seems like no one's interested in studying any distal. No, exactly. And there are thousands of missed cancer screenings, not just, you know, cervical cancer, you've got all the different types of cancers.

6.There are apparently hundreds of thousands of Irish cancer screening…

There are apparently hundreds of thousands of Irish cancer screening appointments missed. Okay, like you said, what's going to happen with those undetected cancers over the next few years. Obviously it's going to cause more deaths and cancer. If people remember, you see what we've also forgot is how many ways that you can die from health, different health issues. People just think you can die from one thing now, COVID, right? You know, 30,000 people in Ireland on average die of different illnesses and disease every year. Okay, the major one is cancer. The next one is heart disease, right? 2020 saw about 3,000 deaths from COVID. So that's only a small fraction compared to the overall number of deaths that happen every year in Ireland. So like you said, there's lots more ways that people are going to be detrimentally affected by this. And like you said, it's not nothing is being brought to people's attention The suicides are happening. I have a friend who lives in Galway and she's into kayaking I asked her you're getting out kayaking much. She says yes The Coast Guard and the police have have have me out looking for bodies because of reported suicides I've heard some crazy numbers from Galway. It's very very sad. What's going on out there? The suicide numbers And what do you hear every time on RTA when you turn it on? Are you here with cases and long COVID and ICUs? Right. It's what annoyed me a lot about this is the idea of essential services versus non-essential service. Like I've been a small business owner having a local coffee shop here in Clontaarfta. I don't have any more. But the idea that someone the government can come along and say, you're essential, but what you do isn't essential. Like exactly what the fuck does that do to somebody's self-esteem? I'm not a censure and the end to follow on from that who drew this lion like who's something's only a censure when you need like I'm a proficient bike mechanic. I can change cables and chains and stuff on my bike My local bike shop is open that bike shop is not essential to me. I do not need the bike shop I can order parts and chain reaction like I have a hole in my jeans buying jeans on lion as a pain in the hole. You wanna go and try them on. The clothes shop is closed. So yeah, the clothes shop is not essential until you need a new pair of fucking boxers. And then it's very much essential. Yeah, well, this whole estate is fine. Yeah, it's complete bullshit again. And it should be based on people's discretion as to what is essential. Like you said, a guard or, you know, Stephen Donnelly should not be telling you what's essential and what isn't. But again, unfortunately, Anthony, this is all related. There is a massive agenda here. It's not just some crazy virus that has come from a bat. Okay. There's a huge fine, like this all boils down to money, unfortunately, right? So there's a financial agenda behind locking down small businesses and locking down small, you know, privately owned businesses. There's unfortunately an agenda there. Now, if people want to find out more, I sent you a link with an Irish economist on two nights ago, look up the Irish inquiry on YouTube and look up a recent interview they did with Eddie Hobbs. He's been on RT loads of times. He lays it all out. Why this is what the financial strategy is behind shutting down your small close shop or your small bookshop or whatever. There's a financial motive behind this and it's sickening like you know. The problem is this idea that small mom and pop businesses can just bounce back overnight. I do get the rationale like that if you're a low income earner, that if the testing is legit which we're having concerns about in this conversation, and you don't want to expose a low income earner to a situation where he's potentially pressurized to go into dangerous environments to make a living. Instead, you can give them a stipend, 350 euro a week instead of exposing them into this dangerous environment. But the problem is you give them 350 euro a week, but that has to end at some point. You know, it's a different amount than every places around the world in Ireland. It's 350 a week, but it has to end at some point. But these small businesses, they can't just bounce back. Like they don't have the purposes. The purposes is that they don't and that you know, that you put these places into liquidation. And then that unfortunately then enables the bigger business to take over. You see, I don't know if I boyed at anger. I don't know if I'd have linked up. Look up that interview with Eddie Hobbs that I showed you. And then you're going to have to look up the world economic forum and agenda 2030 and the great reset because this is unfortunately what they're telling us they want to do.

7.Look, I don't think you need to, for me, I don't need to look for…

Look, I don't think you need to, for me, I don't need to look for those conspiracies because I like to think about incentives. The world works off incentives. Right now, Netflix, it's more subscribers than ever. Amazon, people of packages come into their door every single week. There's almost a sub-economy in steel and Amazon packages in some parts of the world. There's so many of them coming. These big companies are grown and grown and grown. They're pouring a huge taxpayer money into their respective economies. There's no incentive for your Jeff Bezos, I don't know who the CEO of Netflix is, but there's no incentive for these guys to advocate for lockdowns to be lifted because their companies are grown exponentially year on year. What I think would be funny is if you stick the politicians on 350 euro a week, watch how fucking fast the economy opens back up. We are back open tomorrow because you can't pay fucking Dublin rent on 350 euro a week. No, well, this is this. So again, again, what did I say the reason why you You can't go more than 5k because they want to, you know, they want to get you into submission. And the submission is for big pharma to install a medical tyranny based on society. You can see it happening in Israel. You're talking about the access. Yeah, they have segregation already in restaurants and food courts in Israel. Those who are vaccinated and those who aren't. Can you like, this isn't a conspiracy anymore. It's actually happening in real life. Okay, actually, there's a good question. I was out with my training partner today. And he's someone that's transitioned across from boxing into triathlon and so Eitlin. And, you know, he's a abrupt, simple way of looking at things at times. And it cuts through a lot of noise. And he said to me today, like, he's like, here answer me this, I spend my entire life devoted to not chasing spiritual stuff, not chasing. He didn't say this is me, paraphrasing. He doesn't chase spiritually, he doesn't chase business. He is dialed, focused on physical. He is in peak shape. He looks after his sleep, it's all tracked and monitored. He looks after every single macro that goes into his body, his training, his dials, you know, from strength training to stretching to cardio, it's dialed. He's like, I spent my entire life focusing on my body, my training, my fitness, my wellbeing. Why do I have to take something that's gonna make me sick or two or three days to prevent me from something I probably won't get anyway. I was like, bro, I don't really know. I just didn't have an answer for him. Well, this is it, unfortunately. And the way they are, like, I started out my investigations into what's going on here from purely from a scientific angle. I was involved. I was, I'm always interested in the science and the medicine and health part of things. It has made me drift into economic stuff and also legal stuff because another part of the lockdown that I forgot to tell you, Anthony, is that there is a senior council, a junior council, and a group of lawyers, Irish barristers and solicitors that have launched legal proceedings against the Irish government because of the unconstitutional the lockdown measures have been. Right? So not only is this, like I can show you papers showing how lockdowns are not scientifically supported. There's no legal challenges being made on them. But it is important to know at this point anyone can bring a legal challenge for anything frivolous if they want. It can be thrown out also if they haven't proved anything. True. It's only going to court but the fact that they are investing their time and money into doing this, you know, they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't feel that it was the correct thing to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's face that. Anyway, so that's happening. The vaccination issue, again, that's a whole other argument, but you are being asked to take something that first of all has no long term safety data on it. How anyone is not like raising their eyebrow to the fact that a vaccine has been brought in in less than 12 months since the outbreak of a new novel virus, when previous development of vaccines has taken six to seven years, we suddenly have one that was manufactured in less than a year. But is that not just a case of all hands on deck? No way, no way. There's no way can you do, can you reduce something by you know, six to seven years to do it in less than a year because you've all hands on deck. And then secondly, it's a it's not even by definition the vaccine, it's actually gene therapy. Okay, then a vaccine by definition is a small dose of the actual virus. This is a genetically modified fragments of the virus. So it's actually genetic engineering as opposed to traditional vaccination. So will you take the vaccine?

8.Not a chance, not a bloody hope

Not a chance, not a bloody hope. Is there a subset? I'm not sure we've never got into your family background. Are your parents still alive? Yeah, but parents in the 70s. Would you recommend to them to take the vaccine? No, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone based on all the evidence and I've looked into some like deeps like research into into this form of mRNA vaccination. I've looked into how vaccinations actually work. I've looked into the injury claims associated with vaccination and like it's a huge huge area. And while it unfortunately involved in what it would involved is there's a cognitive dissonance aspect to it. If you've been brought up believing in vaccination for measles and for polio and for the flu and if you have never questioned it in your life then you're not going to be able to continue, you're not going to be able to question it any, you know, going forward. So there's a massive cognitive dissonance aspect to this but my bottom line is I would never have taken the flu vaccine before. I have a scientific paper showing me that COVID in terms of its infection, fatality rate, IF or is no different to a severe flu. Well this is my year, my girlfriend works for Johnson & Johnson so full disclosure they're working on the vaccine at the moment. No it's not like I'm a shareholder in Johnson & Johnson but at the same time we were talking about it and I was like well I've never got the flu vaccine and my rationale for not getting the flu vaccine is because it's just the flu. If I get the flu, like I'll go to bed for a few days, it sucks. I've had a bad flu before and it does suck, and I can see how it kills an elderly person or somebody with an underlying condition. But for me, I'm relatively young, face healthy, no underlying health conditions, it sucks. But fuck it, do I really want a vaccine? I've no idea. We spoke of externalities earlier. I have no idea what a complicated chemical chains this is kicking off inside my body. So why would I take that? And that would be kind of my thinking on the COVID vaccine as well. Now it's interesting that you wouldn't recommend it to your parents. Or would you recommend it to an elderly person with underlying health conditions that make them more predisposed to COVID? No, actually, if I was like forced into saying who should take a vaccine, I would actually say that a healthy young person. Why? Because the more vulnerable and elderly you are, the weaker your immune system actually is. What this vaccine does is it actually causes what's called ADE, antibody-dependent enhancement. And what that actually means is your body kind of starts That's working in overdrive in an almost an auto immune response. Now healthy people could deal with that, you might be sick for a week and you'll get over. Somebody whose immune system cannot fight back will perish. Now if you look at the data that's coming out of Ireland, elderly deaths have shot up since the start of January. No, don't say people will say correlation and causation and coincidence and all this. I actually lost my grandmother last week. I had to go up to go away for the funeral. Sorry, I heard a break. She took, yep, she was elderly, she was 88. She got her first job in January. She survived 2020, the pandemic year, without any problems. now dead and buried having received her first job. So I have, you can see this happening right across the country. People are losing elderly loved ones left, right and centre at the moment. Now the media and the government will try and link it to this new variant, etc. But you cannot overlook how it is completely correlates with the introduction and the commencement of this vaccination rollout. You know what kills me with this whole thing is, have the government, national policymakers, whoever it is, world policymakers, WHO, have we not missed a trick here? And for the first time ever, being able to put health, wellness, fitness at the top of the national and worldwide agenda. Because there is studies out there, just papers out there showing how disproportionately not affected. 5th people are with COVID like exposure to vitamin D levels, physical activity levels, body fat levels, BMI levels, all highly correlated to the effectiveness of the virus against your body and your chances are gone to intensive care. Yeah, why? Again, they don't want a healthy society that does not need any medication vaccines is not profitable. Okay. And unfortunately, profit is what rules, states and big corporations, right? It's the most worrying part of this whole thing. We'll wrap up on this, I know you're totally on time. It's the potential push this vaccine to its logical conclusion. And where we go with that is I can't go to a concert unless I get a vaccine that I don't need. I can't travel.

9.Can't, you know, it's just mind blown where this could potentially go…

I can't, you know, it's just mind blown where this could potentially go and how much this could segment so easily. It's a worrying enough time. Totally worrying. And what I will leave you with is you need to do your own research on this in order to conclude what is right and what is wrong. Now, I would hope that most people will find out that what I have been saying is completely supported by like that. Like, you know, I have no reason to go against, let's say, go against the government narrative or to give out about vaccines. There's no reason for me to be against these things other than I am simply, I want to simply know what's right and what's wrong and what the scientific evidence is behind each of these things. So I have no reason to go against lockdowns. I have no reason to go against... No bias, there's no financial investments in any of it. So what people need to do is find out for themselves, and you won't find it out for more TE or for the mainstream media. But it's all there. All of the information you need is there. Secondly, what I will say is, the only way out of this is true power of the people. And the power of the people is going to come from mass civil disobedience, right? You need to live by your own moral code and disobey what's been asked of you and what is irrational and illogical and unsupported and actually, you know, against freedom, against civil rights, against human rights. People need to start disobeying all these things because if everyone went out tomorrow on their bikes, went out running, went in and they're shopping without their masks. There wouldn't be much, you know, the government or the police could actually do if everyone just started behaving as normal, you know. I think Barry, it's a fascinating conversation and it's one I said at the outset to wrap up as this. I do want to facilitate a balanced debate of anyone's listening and they're an academic, they're a scientist and they oppose Barry's viewpoint, hit me up on the DM over on Instagram at roman.sikeland and we're going to get you on. And Barry, we maybe even get you back on as a rebuttal to that podcast. But I actually, you know what, we talked about this off-air and when I had this idea of facilitating and balancing the beige on both sides of the spectrum, if this had to be in last March 12 months ago, I would have struggled to find somebody with your viewpoint on this. I have a fear that I'm actually going to struggle to find somebody of the opposing viewpoint now. spoke about civil disobedience and I think it is happening and it's in small creeping amounts you're seeing people go oh just chance me I'm going to town or just go visit that friend and we are seeing it happen but it's not until it happens at scale I think that this House of Cards comes down and we start getting some answers to some of the questions and at that point when we have the data around the efficacy of the tests and we have the supporting data on the externalities around lockdown, then we can have a fair balance to open the discussion and then a roll of justifiable course of action rather than just one that seems led by complete focus at the moment. Those things are already there, Anthony. Like I said, the data regarding PCR testing is there. The data, there's actually a website that shows all of the collateral damage that this is being caused both financially, mental health issues, cancer screening issues. Like there's groups all over the world that have formed like whether they're legal groups, doctors groups, just general society groups that are actually collating all this data. So it's actually all there. It's just not being presented to you by mainstream. Yeah, and I think what happens then is just you end up defaulting to anecdotal and anecdotal is important as well. Like this is the thing that you know I don't need a fucking scientific study all the time. If I go to bed at night and the ground is dry and I wake up in the morning and the ground is wet, I don't need a scientific study to show me it rained last night. I can anecdotally see. Like I cycle on the Clontaryph promenade every single day into the city and when I'm on my way to break in my five kilometers and more and more tents are popping up all along the clonter of promenade of people that have, you know, they've, they've turned non-essential businesses and they're being pushed and now they're homeless. And it's happened, I go in twice a week into Dublin City Centre for a coffee ride on my recovery ride and I stop in Dublin City Centre normally early in the morning. You know, more and more doorways are occupied by homeless people. I don't notice that on the homeless figures around Dublin, but anecdotally I can tell you, unless they're all converged on the central city for some reason, there's more and more homeless people around than I've ever seen.

10.Said, the governments are not going to fix this force

Well, like I said, the governments are not going to fix this force. The people need to fix this for themselves. The only way out of that is through mass civil disobedience. There's big stuff happening over St. Patty's Day, keep an eye out for that. People need to educate themselves. That's what I like. I'm not a tri-color wielding flippin Irish Republican kind of a guy. I've never been at any protest before. I've never really paid attention to politics. I was like kind of ignore, I used to ignore all that. I often just didn't bother voting for or, you know, during the elections. Because I just kind of let all that kind of stuff go over my head. Now I'm looking at this because I've got two young kids. I'm looking at our future. I want to live in a balanced democracy, live with individual freedoms and not be told that I can't go to a gig or bring my kids on a holiday on a holiday because we haven't got these experimental gene therapy vaccinations that we were able to get. Yeah, personal choice has gone. And this is like just to reference that last one, I said, I ride into the city twice a week. I do a recovery span on a Monday and a Friday and I don't wear a helmet riding in. I wear a helmet every day of the week training on when I'm going out on proper training rides, my recovery span, I ride in sometimes I go on SIVI, sometimes wear my cycling and I don't wear a helmet. That's risk assessment. I get to choose which risk I take on. I go, I'm going for six hours into Wicklow today with twisty descents. I want to be protected. I'm cruising into the city at 15k an hour on my city bike for a coffee. I don't want to wear a helmet. I get to choose that risk. But they've taken that choice from me. I don't get to choose as a healthy person who's not in danger of infecting an elderly relative. I don't get to choose that I I want to sit down in a coffee shop and have a coffee. It's in bizarre. Yeah, and now those things, just to sum up, that your way of living is being governed by a small group of Irish, unelected bureaucrats, which are in this Nefid group. There's 30 to 30, it comprises of 30 to 35 individuals and they are advising the government and then the government are giving you your measures and your restrictions. So 30 to 35 people are telling or advising five million of us of how we should live our lives. You would like to think that the government is, you know, the barber's always gonna tell you you need a haircut. Exactly. Yes. These lats are always gonna tell you, you need to lock down, you need to prioritize medical. It's a government's job to say, look, there's economic fallout to this. they're social fallout to this. Exactly. But they're not doing that. They're going to poorly if they are doing it. Yeah, because unfortunately, you'll see conflicts of interest related to the government as well. So it's all, unfortunately, comes down to money and who's being paid off and whose arm is being twisted. And it's really nasty to see it happening in a situation where all of our lives are being detrimentally affected by it, you know? It's a strange worry in time. Barry, we'll wrap it up and we'll leave it there, but I'm sure this isn't the last we've heard about this one. No, it isn't. Alright, take care. Alright, thanks for chatting. Hey everybody, it's Anthony again. Really quick, I want to invite you to join arguably the best thing I've ever put out inside the roadman community. It's a challenge. It's a challenge called a 14-day Kickstarter challenge. So regardless of where your fitness is at right now, this is going to be the catalyst for making you faster and making you leaner. I've created this challenge to take the guesswork out of everything. It's 14 days of training plans, regardless of what your level is. There's the master's beginner, advanced, there's meal plans, shopping list and even a video course holding your hand and talking you through at all. So what I recommend you do right now is just stop everything, press pause on this audio and go to roadmancycling.com forward slash 14 day or check out the link in the bio that roadmancycling.com slash 14 day.