1.From prison to professional athlete today I chat with your Redmond

From prison to professional athlete today I chat with your Redmond. Let's cue that intro The big questions this how do we use cycling as a tool to improve our health our happiness and our long-chevages That is the question and this podcast will give you the answers. My name is Anthony Walsh and welcome to the Rowman podcast Robyn! Robyn, welcome back, it's another Wednesday, it means it's another long-form interview for the Robyn podcast and today's Robyn podcast, I say this every week, I'm like a broken record, but the guests I'm getting are phenomenal! Today's guest is another phenomenal guest, his name is Jerry Redmond. He's better known as Prison 2 Pro. Jerry has such a fascinating story, if you travel to the lent of the world, you'd struggle to find a story that's as compelling and interesting as this story and it happens that jr just lives only a few kilometres from my house. jr is someone who got wrapped up as an early age in criminality petty crime which escalated into serious crime which ultimately stuck him behind bars in prison and he was faced with a choice of go deeper into criminality go deeper into the underworld or turn us back on it and do something positive. And Jer chose the latter. Jer chose to be a role model. He chose to be an inspiration for his community. And he's pushed on to the point that he's got his professional triathlon license. He's an inspirational character in the locality. He's spreading his message through Instagram, YouTube and podcast. And I'm privileged that he took the time to sit down with me and chat to me about this inspirational journey today. 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I was going to say Irish speakers, but one of us probably speak Irish. Jer, I want to talk to you about, I can give a fascinating story and I know we've a mutual friend, one of my trying partners at the moment kind of put me onto it and it seems I heard the story I was like this sounds brilliant because for me when I think about what an interesting story, straight line success never makes an interesting story. I'm like talking to someone, like, oh, yeah, I was a prodigy athlete, and then I became a pro, and then on one stage as a tour. I'm like, it's a pretty boring story. I think we need to have success, then to go to absolute choice, and then for it to come back again. And your story is that perfect zigzag. Everything loves a shit story, don't they? So, talk to me about your 16 years old and you've signed for Dunfermland. My background soccer as well, like glades up to the leg of Ireland with Bohemians and I was obsessed with it when I was a kid so I can totally get into the mindset you had as a kid and all your dreams come true signing for Dunfermland so I think maybe that's a good place for us to start the story. And Joe McRill opened in North, and died out in the air. I listened to him, I don't know, got out. And he probably heard watching the nails much. It's not on the tourist hotspots, but anyway, we'll just say that. Don't go there. But I look, yeah, even, I mean, I grew up in the dysfunctional family, and I felt soccer was an outlet for me. And it was pretty good, I soccer to be fair. But I don't know where I was actually The time that I saw or actually found really a good area with the away from the family home which is a negative place to be at all times. I wouldn't even call it a home. That's been a nice relationship. For them, I did find some passionate football. The age of 16, as you said, I got the opportunity to scale, actually come over to watch me. One head of people who died out of kill luck, Megan has a professional football. I thought the scale to come over and watch this was very exciting, not only for myself, but for a few of our plans. Today, tomorrow, I scored 10 goals in one game. I knew he was coming, so I wasn't passing the ball. This was more opportunity. But, you knock down to the house after that match, and then avoid the other part. It's royal, which is February. I'm not too sure what year it was, you know, as you were. We just remember doing family because we are off-skilled for around Van Dung's day, we know it was a week off then So I remember going out with that time but the week before I remember sitting in me house playing fief it We're not even the one who has been friends. I was playing fief football knows being don't fair and I lose it was just on me I was actually playing with the team with these lads on fief it and then I was coming off to meet them a week later You know so it was a pure dream like it was like a bubble that couldn't believe it So I got off the floor anyway.

2.For a Troy went to the place called Fall Care, straight off the…

For a Troy went to the place called Fall Care, straight off the floor, the Fall Care, talked down for the winter 16s. On the bench, they were losing three won. I come off the bench, scar two, and let up the winter. We won far three. The rest is history. I was out there on their 16th team. 16th in him. Paul Kirk was looking to saw him. He co-ed her up. Tim's are skilled to her. I heard about me. Ross is no friend of the saw him. But obviously they wanted to saw him. He went and saw him for no friend on the YTS scholarship. YTS is a U-TIMS assistant for anyone listening. That's not a football fan. Yeah, so I'm okay. It was an unread dream. He brought around with the 14-manage around the stadium, showed me the ropes, I was cleaning builds for all that prowess, I was getting lifted and busted up and that big cars, you know, like how it was the best of having me in life. I came from a big dysfunctional family, I was still dysfunctional family, although I was there, so I had that worry as well, me or I, four brothers and sisters back home living with a fire, I was very uneasy, didn't know what sort of attitude he was going to wake up with, And it was never a positive ask you to be hunched. So you saw me was gonna be a avoidance We're into any petty crime or nothing like that before you went away to don't forget No, never don't anything Like you know, you know, we went to large No way knock on doors and we try to stall on a somewhere else as a but sin I'm not saying that's simple things like you know, just as far as my teenagers could object note major Notin that you know, you know, and that would get me fusing sounds around like that. Because I know I had a friend that he went across and came up with all the football circles as well. And he went across brilliant. He was the best out of all of us. And while the scouts were buzzing around a few of us, but he went over, he was nailed on to sign for a big English Premier League team. And then he came back and he rang around, knocking around all the lights, I'll come around to the house, come around to the house. I have a surprise. And like you, we are kind of mucking about. There was no proper criminality going on, but he was into a bit of antisocial stuff. But what he done when he went over to the Premier League team was, he rubbed their boot room and he stole all the boots from the forest to him players. And he came home with a bag of boots for all the lads and he thought it was grey crack. Well, like it cost him a career as a footballer. Like they sacked him straight away, obviously, when they found out it was him. And looking back, it's just like 500 euro football boots or something cost him a chance at his dream. You have to have it. You have to have it. You have to have it. You have to have it. You have to have it. You have no awareness of that when you're the kid. No, you don't. But that's why you need good rhymes when you're the kid. You have to have to talk about stuff like that. No, and not show you away from talking to the kids about the right and wrong thing, like, you need to spend time with kids. So how did that start unraveling for you? Cause that seems like, I know you were living my dream, and you were probably living a lot of other kids around Dublin's dream over there. How did that start to come apart? I used to over there, pulling me straight as a soccer player, getting paid, getting wage lips, now as a soccer player. I was in there. I came out about six months or something. I got a car up in home, saying, I've got to commit to crawling back in and kill, like, pretty bad crawling fairness. And, I asked the coach, could I go home? Because I was ringing back and forward for a few days after that. And, things weren't telling the goal. So, was that coming to home? Just to see what's happening. and just to check to see what happened with the kids. So we grew up a employee coming from Scotland to Dublin. We grew up a employee and looking back now, we didn't really know it was a deployable. We grew up that flyer fell into a deep dark hole that I didn't know was falling into the time. But I went back to the house and the windows were barred, opened the house, and the water was in there drinking alcohol with all our friends. Well, so she taught your friends on the road, you know. Why were the windows poured up? Well, the family that we had committed to crime on had put the windows through as a revenge attack toward him. So they were barred up. And the Mura siblings were upstairs. And just sitting around, there was no looking at them. Mura had started giving up. She was already a chronic drinker, as it was even before. And this is just, I suppose, a spoiler and a towel and 12 as well. How was your dad arrested for a crime? He was locked up. He was locked up. So, and were you the oldest of the siblings? Well, he was the oldest boy. He says that was a year out of the league. So, was that okay? So, you nearly stepping up to become a father figure to arrest your siblings at that stage? Yeah, sure. No choice, look, I mean, all the back was put against the wall. What do I do? Go back over and live to the facts and the loaves to leave all these in the shed. I mean, my son and parents will deal with that. So I decided it was time to step up and put my career on hold. It's that a decision. You know, we often hear people talk about a fork in the road, but in my experience, the fork in the road does happen, but oftentimes we nearly drift down a road, convincing ourselves it's only temporary and we'll come back to a rural career. But then we just get forward and forward and deeper and deeper into something. Was it a case of the fork or was it a case of the drift? It was a case of having no choice. You know, you had to start making hard decisions. But what was it supposed to do? There's no way I could have left them in the shit like I'm walk away. But I wouldn't have been able to play the football anyway, thinking that I know.

3.What effect me in all sorts of ways

So what effect me in all sorts of ways? So the decision was made to stay. It was an easy enough decision to be honest. It was a hard decision. It was hard on me, but it was an easy decision. Yeah. And they just stopped playing football, or did you play back on? I tried to play football, and I was scared. Because there were so many, so many negative thoughts, and I used to leave the house in girlfriend, and I would think that we finally said, make sure you're out of room. So we used to affect me playing soccer, close to the fact that I lost the scholarship, the weight he has to, with the impairment, That had an knock on effect on me, confidence. Then I got in a good path to the criminal gang, woke up texting in two, the fulfilled in the table. So it was a path that was holed and stuck as well. So it was all that. And I'm each hour's as well. How does that work for someone listening? You know, when you're like, I'm only a few kilometers down the road from you and it's still it's something foreign to me. You know, I'd have friends who've doubled in this world. but for a listener listening, that's no exposure to, you know, criminality, anti-social behavior. To say you got involved in a criminal gang, it's not like your CNCVs around, and one of them comes back to you. What's that look like? How do you get into a criminal gang and start making money in this life? Yeah, you become an asset to them. That's how you do it. Like, obviously, new to model because this is where I grew up. This is the normal M were you. So by, by new these labs, as it was, and And all the talk for me to do was to start a bar for the service, don't you? Like, I can house stuff, I can do something, you know? And that's how you get in. And once you're in then and you're exhausted, show you look at they need you as much as you need them. And it becomes, you can't start that type of friendship, if you would call a friendship. Did you feel like you had another choice? No, not what I chose. So there's no one there. down there, like, it was not like we didn't, we were on social welfare, right? It was four year kids, I mean, so six kids out there on social welfare living in a, a pro-air dairy. So they gave me a tattoo on the North German with heat and electricity and shopping and skill and buried your patterns and Christmas presents and, well, we needed money from elsewhere, I think that's the case and we're going to get down into it later on in the discussion because so much stuff you do around kids and trying to turn them in the right direction and I was brilliant and I want to dig deep into that. But I know thinking back, you know, white friends who were sort of dabbling in this, someone who was a bit deeper than others. And I can remember a moment where I had that real fork in the road, I was working, I was in college. You know, I was in football circles, so not many of my mates would have went to college. So I was going to the outlier going into college. And I remember being in college and one of my friends who was deeper into this world came in. And he was just like, how much are you getting paid for this? And I was like, a quit an hour or something. And he's breaking his bollocks laugh. And he's like, if you hold this bag for me for a week, I'll give you a grand. All you gotta do is hold the bag, not else. And I remember just thinking, that's such an easy money. Hold the bag, not never need to know what's in the bag. Hold it for a week. I remember thinking, I really want to be a lawyer. I want to get to law skill. I was like, I'd be focused out of law skill if I'm caught with this bag. There's no chance. Man, that's the difference. That's the having an outlet, having a second choice. But when you're facing that situation, there's no plan B. But there's no choice but even the pro-daries and that's the answer. I mean, I don't know why I told the family you came from that had you thinking you forgot the law skill. But down there in the queue, because no one influences that in the family. Yeah. And I want to say to you, you can be back with this. No one telling you you can achieve absolutely anything. No matter where you come from. No one's saying that. Everyone's saying your piece of shame. More or less without saying that. And how deep from that moment where you become an asset to the gangs until the moment when it's game over and they turn back in and you're inside in prison, how deep do you go into this world? It's deep as your emotions are really. So we got fairly, very negative. So we became an aspect of it, we're going around. But no problem breaking people up from money. But no problem if you all be moneying. But I wasn't even able to money, it was about me and all the problems. But it's such a negative theme and then sort from what happened to me as a kid, losing people who profess them, having to come home, look at how people are the sisters, how do we face where all that. Those who are on that trek from family that we fight with the crying against, all this shit was put on us. So it's a lot of negative in soy meat, which can move in a negative way towards people. And then it is a case, I imagine money is just easy to make in this game. Or I don't want to say easy to make, but you're making more money than your mates will be. Now if your mates gone off and done a apprenticeship as a plumber, you're probably rolling around with multiples while he's bringing in each week. the lower that most get quite powerful for the young kids and the materialistic side of it. Yeah, car, so it's like dying a tire, isn't it? Like you're looking at your other ads making out money and you're taking on the risks. So, eventually, if you have a bit of intelligence, you're going to think, I'm going to leave a minute. This is not way. No. So, I just take them different risks and go down a different route about it. You know, I'm starting to be I want to learn the process, getting away from them. So the main thing I suppose from a criminal out there is a lot of them have this negative negativity in soil and they lash out on others to get money.

4.It's just a need for the empire

So it's just a need for the empire. It really is a need for the world being involved in criminality. So talk to me about the touring point. At the moment, you're caught and arrested and you know you're going to do time. Is it the moment you're sentenced or is the moment that he turns into cell in Mount Joy for a night number one in prison? Yeah, no, you're not waiting. But I don't know if I'm going to the moment. So, I, so when I convicted, I think it was too far again. I was having a man who told me how I held. What was the charge already on my side? Yeah, it was drug, drug offense. So the stroke found the house and I got convicted on that. So before you get sentenced, you have to go into a man, you know, so you go into a man for whatever a week's sake. So the judge puts me in a man, she convicts me, so she says you're being convicted. And then you go into a man for a week and then you come back and she sends you, right? So I go into a, I go into a wafer, and put on this land at about six o'clock in the evening, because I've been in car car there. And they locked the doors out of those seven. You know, everyone's door out of the house. It gets locked. So I've now worked a goal. So they put me in to this one-man's house at this guy. And I'm sitting there and there's not only one bed, right? What's the way to breathe? Try me a couple of blankets. That's the easy bit. Daniel Land puts on, I don't know, east handles or something really. And he goes, you might have a shit. and there's no fucking battery on like it's it's in the sale, right? Anyway that was not at least my wallet. So I even finished this shit. And then he goes to me and I said ah Trocathans. And he said what you invited us Mora! I'm like fuck sake! I fucking sleep But I don't think I slept every minute, but it was really hitting me and I'm like, wow, I'm looking, the chap was looking. He was following me, didn't he? He didn't get smart and sound. But that hit me and I'm like, fuck. I take it, you weren't on the discussion over who gets the bed with him. No, he's down on the floor on the bike, you know? Just fucking to the next one. I've a very different story, but it's about beds, but it's not about prison. So I signed for a pro team in the US. I would have been 2014, I think. And I flew, I was living in Toronto and I flew in from Toronto to Carolina for day one, the training camp. So you're meeting the whole new team. It's 10, 12 new riders, someone of them all over the world. I've raised in France and stuff before, but in France, everyone gets their own bet. You know, it's just, it's not hard that you share the bet with another lad, But in the States, budgets are to eat it's hotel life. They don't have these kind of hostels and stuff. So hotel rooms are more expensive. So it's common that lawyers share double beds. But so why manage our picks me up late at the airport, flights delayed, a minute 1 a.m. or something. And he gives me a key to the room. He's like, you're in room number 12 and you're sharing with Colton. And I was like, okay, cool. And go up to the bedroom and go up and there's one double bed. And there's a lot of fast asleep in the double bed. And I'm just kind of like, oh, what the fuck? So I go back down to the manager. I'm like, here, there's only one bed in that realm. What's going on? He's like, yeah, he's a Sharon. So I'm like one in the morning, getting stripped down to the box, or as climbing into a bed, be so glad that I've never met before. And he's kind of rolling over and looking at me. I'm like, how are you like, oh, man? That was things. It was the most awkward. I didn't like you with that experience. So I'm not comparing the two, but like you with that noise, I didn't sleep a wink because I was that homophobic like if my leg touches his leg here we think that I'm coming on to him. And then you know you're all forward six months and you know you're sharing a bit of a tree teammates and you're sleeping completely sounds and it's just normal. But it was so out of normal that I just didn't sleep a wink that night so I can only imagine the error that the poor nice sleep you had. But look it's an experience and it's definitely going to try to find the positives out of it. But is that a moment then that forced noise where you're just thinking like because there's two choices I suppose in, you know, while experiencing law, you see, there's when people are faced with this and I'm not sure if this was the moment for you, they either go deeper down this rabbit hole and they use prison as an apprenticeship and they learn everything they networked, they opened their skills and they say, this is the life going to become an expert in Minecraft or they go the other way and they completely turned our back on and say this is the wake up call I need it. Yes, so I suppose, Oi taught me, said that's it. You put yourself here, you're acting the hard man out there. So what you're gonna be a little weaseling here now. So we stepped up and started trying and started getting more in-road. You know, you just have to sort of, it's for a flight, you know, to be honest with you. So Oi didn't have that talk with me, so I said don't be fucking weaseling here. You need to man or attack this on the chain. Because I was frightened, I was like, fuck, what am I gonna do? How many years were you sentenced to? Sorry. How many years were you sentenced to? Two years. Two years. Like. A week in prison could change someone's life. Sorry. A noise in prison. A week in prison, I'd imagine could change someone's life. Well, I'm sure I called the handler and I'm always the flight you're getting on. So yeah, I got sentenced there and it went there. And that force, now I'm joining, I went to sea land. So you got to sea land and force, you get set on the end, then they actually go on that stretch, then they pick a land and for you to go on then, seawing, de-wing or a-wing. So what's put onto it? What's put onto seawing? And you're putting there to harm my Simpson jocks.

5.Putting a pair of lame pants, all the granddads, barbed stringers

Putting a pair of lame pants, all the granddads, barbed stringers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then prison kid, then you get your kid, then you get your kids, then you get your family's reps. So, we actually had a brother on the land. So, knowing the land on the land, we put up with the, you gave me a track suit and all that. And that's the thing, you know, you just sat and then, and you just adapt to your surroundings. I'm very good at that. My back's the reward on anything. And I, I need to help me going free back to the reward on just overcoming the task and insect oils within the environment I mean, you know. And how easy is it to switch your head to because you're talking about backs against the wall, I have to get me head right and you're thinking that I'm interpreting that as a positive sense. You're starting to get me head right and go, this isn't going to happen to me again. What, how much can you focus on that versus how much are you in self-preservation mode? Don't get caught up in that and in here or don't get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. So the last thing I think about is, the last thing you were thinking about was, how am I gonna change my life? Well, your thinking about was how am I gonna solve a life? That's always that thing. How am I gonna solve a life? Is it that tough in there? How am I gonna solve a life? Is it that grim? Yeah, it's a toy mom. This is how we explain to people, right? Jell out when you're a kid, you're a kid, a grandma, a boy, and a holler in for her, or something, right? And you're traveling there, you're just like hunting, and a blouse. But that's what my own job is like. It's fucking on the edge, 24-7. It just goes off like you're walking the land and next of all, you just see rulctions people punching their arpeggia, or screws, fighting with the prisoners. It's constant. Constant people walk around, blood coming out, coming out with someone who gets attacked. So you're trying to go into the, what I've done was I tried to put myself in the environments where that risk was minimized. Like the gym are to skill. Because a lot of people that got on the gym are to skill. people who don't really want to have some, they just want to go out with the sentence, just want to learn and just want to get fit. And whereas the others, they stick around the record, you see the pill there, it's new, covering on, you know, no, same pill there, it's new, it's not what you think. It's broken. You know, it's, it's not the crucible. Do do do do, it's intermission time on the roadman podcast. This is the time where you get a little chance to say, you know what, I've got this far in the podcast. So I'm getting a lot of enjoyment of getting a lot of value out of this and to give a little bit back to pay it forward head on over to patreon.com forward slash Anthony under score watch pause the podcast real way for you head over there do it now, I'm gonna be a progs whip beer once a month as a thank you. Okay let's get back to chump with your. It's not the cruise of a little bit of a hill rail around it's shitty but that's where the muppers start hanging around you take their drugs to do a little bit of the maintenance And then, you know, once I was with that sort of people, you're looking for hassle, to be honest with you. So did you have kids at this time? Or you had four kids at this time. And did you have an awareness? You talked about how your dad was not a role model to you. Did you have an awareness at this time, asked that a role model you were becoming for your kids? Yeah. So the first night got a guy sentence, not the first night I was in Vermont, Of course, no gas sands in Seeming. And then when I was in the basement at that time, I sat there at the dark shop and I cried, because I had a picture of me dark. I just had one picture of me dark. And I looked at it and I said, geez, I was just on the exact same team, my father on me, he done it on me, and now I'm dealing on them. Like, hell, that I got wrong. So that was already set in there. And that then seed was being planted about four months. And what is this ad that was to boil the mold, it wasn't really thinking about how it's gonna change around. It was just thinking about how to boil it. I feel like this is part two. We need the epic, rocky, the soil to come out of retirement moment. When did the seed come that you're thinking triathlon? Was that, well, you're in prison? Or was that when you get out? No, so 2016, I remember saying to me south in 2016 before I got out, and I remember saying to myself, where's me, though, it's gone? Like, I remember it just flashed in front of me. I went from being 16 year old and playing football, and I'm sitting in the south at the age, I think it was 22, probably 16 years later, I mean, I flashed in front of them, well, the folks out there happened. Down when they got out there, I was in an old prison, so I used to get out weekends. We saw him last was Geo at the end, I think November the 26th. Couple of things happened to me, a friend of mine, I was in Amsterdam, a friend of mine. And he was telling me that stories about his son, Don't camp and doing little things, you have to get up as a bond, like, and it was really nice. And he doed two weeks later, but he friended from a drug overdose. Yes, sorry. And then I remember being in the funeral home, I was set there, and a son, he was about four, walked up to the coffin. And couldn't make sense of it. The son was like, you know, just looking to start the playroom. So you're like, here's who I've often draw, concremeable guys, I deal with it, they say, for a family. I'm dealing with a family. That's how the jostafoyed in the moyed, which is absolutely bullshit. So these kids looking for a start, just a player, and not going to run anything, money, not looking for toys, just wants a start. I sat there and said, I'm fucking never, ever going to put my kids through that. I would serve it, and now disrespect me. You know, it's not just, how can I see this in front of me, evolving and then me go back and possibly put my kids through that, the boy take drugs, drugs and the boy, I possibly put someone in a family and threw out a voice cell and drove to someone and they do that.

6.Swore at that time I was done, I said that's it, I'm fucking done…

So I swore at that time I was done, I said that's it, I'm fucking done with this life. I don't give a shit around the door and I don't give a shit around the door I'm done and that was it, that day was the the turning point for me to change. So he starts around with self, we're like one of the people, and a friend of mine was doing the lawyer man, went to watch him and it taught me self. Geez, no one couldn't swim. He didn't spoil me that much. Him, I noticed I done it. Like there was people there in sixty-five coming across the line. I was like, fucking hell, look, if they can do it. So that little thing that we had, I said, John, maybe I could try it. swim, never been on a royal bike, I was on a Rob Mount bike before, that's it. Never on a royal bike, never on a TT bike, never seen one until that day, couldn't swim, couldn't do one length of a pill. But you know what, I said, if I try and I get fit, I'll be in a good place, at least I'll be fit and healthy, I'll be in a good place in life, and I'll have put all that stuff behind me. So I need the new goal to get away from the old me, you know. Because if the story ended there, It's a good news story and it's a rare story because the cliche with the life that you were leading is it only ends in two ways, prison or dead. So the fact that you chose option C, which isn't really a viable option for most people, that in itself is a story. But then you set your head on, aren't I not enough? I want to be a pro-iron man. Talk to me about that moment because I'm in the circles where I'm chatting to pro cyclists and I've been paid to ride the bike. And every now and then, you do see a lad coming along and he's going, I'm going to be a pro and you just break your bollocks laugh and go, you don't know what you're talking about mate, you're not going to be a pro, you want the sound boy that you're going to be a pro and you want to tell your mates that don't know what they're talking about that you want to be a pro. But you don't want to do what's involved in being a pro because it's not glamorous, it's hard graft. Where's that moment that you say, I'm going to be a pro and what was the response from, I suppose the triathlon community. So I've done before as the Ironman, and I never suffered. People said they're going to suffer. It's best to be in the marathon. So you have so far, you know, as an enjoyer, as I lead. You get to a certain point where you're going, sort of push yourself, get through certain things, you have so far, and all you have so far is the whitest time. And all you really know is that it suffered so much in life that my mind was calloused to all this shit. Spark is not suffering. All David Goggins, Carlos Mind. You know what I mean? But Spark, to me, was not suffering. So I went looking for suffering. So I decided to book Land's Rotten, which is one of the topest I ever met in the world. And again, I pushed his hands and called. I went looking for the suffering. Where did I focus it? And again, I didn't so far. And I finished, I think, I joined the Ironman and he was 10, 50, or 10, something like that. It was a really good time. I was only in this part, and I was like 12 months or so. Which on 10 is a very respectable time, like for anyone listening, because I know most listeners are out now, so it lists, like 10 is serious move and anything around that. I know one of our coaches is Liam Dowell and he had the record, the Irish record for the number of years, I think it's been subsequently broken by Brian McChrystal. But to be anywhere near 10 is serious achievements, especially for your forest one. Yeah. So when I came across the finished line of life, I was like, that little boy came back to me when I was a kid and said, maybe you could be proud again. That was what happened. I remember coming across me and just knowing someone going, that's a really respectful time. You're only in the sparse lane in 12 or 14 months and you're already dealing with the man's a rutty, the toughest one in the world at that time. I mean, there's something there, you know? So we decided to sign up for Barcelona in October 2018 and people laughed, I thought people was gonna be proud and they laughed. It wasn't even a gauge of conversation with me. With great the boy chaps and say, yeah, I'm going for the pro those things. It's like, what's wrong with the boy? You know, there's just a chance of something. But the thing is, people didn't know who it was, didn't know my background, didn't know all that negative energy we had for them yourself. That all he was now, all he now found the new outlet to push all the negative into a positive. So what he was trying, and I was kind of like tilting to the morning and then doing four hour cycles. Like, my old status, I couldn't even feel me in chains, nails, nothing. But I knew we would put everything into this that, you know, it was more achievable. And I wanted to prove people wrong then after them laugh, not even when they tell them it's gonna become pro. So I love storytelling. I'm fascinated by it. And one of the things in storytelling is we call it the heroes, two journeys. So you know, you've been the hero in this case. The hero has two journeys. The fourth journey is that to be a pro. That's the external journey. But often more powerful is the second journey. The hero goes on the internal journey and it's who you become in the process of struggling for this goal. So in your case, you fully transitioned from all that negative energy that was fuel and making you successful in the criminal underworld, you've taken all that and brilliantly turned it into a positive motivator to grab that pro life. But also in the process, I know for a fact, you've inspired people in the local community to give them an older option. So when you're looking back as 16 year old chair, when you're taking an I've no other option here, only crime. It only needs one or two positive role models in a community like you to go, hold on, there is an option here. It's not just crime or pro soccer player.

7.There's other options here. Yeah, that is the, that was my main…

There's other options here. Yeah, that is the, that was my main inherent of the drive. You can, if I become proud, gives me a platform, you know, to show people that you can do this. I didn't become professional to go down with that. I'm not pressing that. Look at me, I'm killed. I'm like, because I don't, I don't really look here. It is killed. Sorry. It is killed. Well, I've been down and I'm not one of those that does that like, hope not anyway. But the main drawing factor was this was to prove to people, not that hell fired down the wrong road you're gone. No matter how bad the regeneration you're been brought open. You know, doesn't matter where you're from, what your circumstances is. You want something bad enough, you can have it. But you've got to walk hard for it. Talk to me about that moment in Barcelona when so so annoying to work is the time you need to achieve to get a pro license in triathlon. Talk to me about how clued in you were to split and the moment you know, you know what, I'm going to make this. Is there a way of watching all of it just going holy fuck yeah so I do this I actually had a route out of tariff for a year during the process of trying to produce but I wouldn't get the operation till I had to achieve me up so I couldn't even get I couldn't even take the jack off I couldn't even reach up with the repress the textile film so I mean swim and took a knock which is me was disciplined but I became a beast on the bike and run because I always found that it's only an excuse you could still be a beast on the bike and run and make up the time you lose your swing. That's the beauty about your hat now. So I became a really good cyclist and runner. I was already a decent runner to be fair. But even on the day of the tour, I line up on the beach for a first line and I just feel I've hit every session like I used to set me an iron clock once I toys and once this is what I used to do. I used to pick a random day on a calendar, say the 15th of April, right? Random algorithm. A two in the world and the 50 there, you're going to group the 100k, whether it's raining, sleet, snow, this and that, we're not going to have a bollocks. So every time, every month I used to set it, a weird little girl like that, because what I don't for me was approved me how much I wanted it. I said to myself, hoy dang korup and dura soy kon. Don't set me self. Then you don't want this. How much do you want it? So it set me self little jobs like that and I'm going to hit everything. We didn't miss any sessions from the day I was going to be controlled. To the day I actually achieved it. But isn't this, I talk about this a lot on the podcast and I'm probably born and trying to partner series all the time. Or in a society where people seem to strive for comfort, where they want comfort. I'm saying to lads all the time, we shouldn't be seeking comfort. We should be seeking the opposite of comfort because it's that uncomfortable feeling every day when you get up and you call water hits your face. out in the elements and you're doing shit that you don't want to do, which you're doing it because you said you do it months ago. It's that uncomfortable, that pushing through that zone. That's the only time we achieve anything worthwhile. If I look at anything I've achieved in my life, it's always followed. A period before that has always been very uncomfortable stuff that I didn't like down for a long period of time. You're never happy when you're sitting on the couch watching Netflix and Cheerios and eating ice cream. What happens then is like fucking sadness my old friend and then Charles up and he's like, oh, here you go, okay. That's the negative mindset. Like people have to get uncomfortable to strengthen the positive mindset. Just, just, just, just, just, just keep more in, it's really nice. More than the negative will deposit. And the negative will always put you in that 80s on or stay in, don't do it. No matter what it is. But if you can solve that positive mindset and you continue to get out and train, what happens is the negative folks up, doesn't even want to know anymore. One negative is now positive. I have two positives. First, the negative focus is gone. So I've told the negative focus into a positive focus. There's two other males. I have to skits a frantic conversation with myself every morning. But I get out of bed every single morning. No matter how I slept, if I'm sick, I get into a cold shower, straight away, three minute cold shower. I've done it probably for the last two years, but there hasn't been a single morning that I've got open thought, oh yeah, I really want to do a cold shower. The order of voice kicks in, giving me reasons why you don't want to get into the cold shower. know it's raining out so it you didn't sleep that well with a headache you could be getting sick and then the other voice takes over and goes this isn't a fucking discussion mate we're getting into the cold shower and I'm having this crazy dialogue with myself every morning and I feel like that's the dialogue people have when they're trying to get their kit on or I heard David Goggins the motivational speaker you referenced him on the callus moyon earlier but he had something brilliant and I know you're a culture and we get into it and I thought you should get your clients to do this. I've had one or two of my clients doing it. When they're procrastinating, when they have their running kid on or their cycling kid on and they're unsure if they want to go trying or not, tell them to record a voice note for themselves on their phone, listing the reasons why they're unsure about going on trying it and then play it back for themselves. And he says, listen back to the reasons you're thinking about not going on trying it. And in his words, you're a straight up bitch when you listen to those words. I only have my clients through the end. They know all the random attacks that were the Monday. Every Monday I got through the end of the program and let them know what you've missed the session. You know, they know they have the mindset of no excuses. So what we use is hashtag no excuses. That's brilliant.

8.When you hit nine-torty and you're stamped certified, you're a…

So when you hit nine-torty and you're stamped certified, you're a pro-athlete. That gives you a platform and I suppose a credibility. Although you say it might what can be that important to you getting the pro thing. I think it gives that credibility to the whole brand, the whole movements of what you're trying to do to say. Look, if I can do this, anything is possible. And now we are going around speaking in schools. And I was on your website. Now, I know friends were, you know, they're charging 10, 15,000 euro for the talk. And you go on to your website and it's free talks and skills. Talk to me a while you're doing them for free. And what's the kind of goal behind it? Because I've come from the project earlier and you can't have money as a motorbait factor to join and encourage people to change their lives. I just don't think that's a nice thing. For me, that's just me. For me, I can't have cash as a motorbait factor for me to go back and give back. I'm giving back because that's what I want to do and it's pure that's what I want to do. I want to change people's lives. I want to go in and be a beach then like, and that's the reason. of the camp professor likely to be able to do that. It wasn't to be able to ground the element, but, for example, it was to be able to go back into skills and say, what are you talking about? You're fully sure you have no excuses of being there, you've been down the wrong road for years and years and years and now I'm a professor likely. So, there are no excuses. And I think if you're going to talk to talk, you need to walk the walk as well. White guys involved in the local football team for the last 20 years or so. And I remember chatting him a couple of years ago and he's coming up on retirement age and you know there's plenty of things he could do rather than be putting up nets on a Saturday Sunday morning for absolutely no money. I said to why do you still do what you do? And he said each year if I can get one lad that's gone down the wrong road and I can steer him back on the right road. You know maybe he's not going to be a professional footballer but maybe it just gives him that awareness that there's other options out there and steer him away from that life. He's like if I can get one lad across the whole club per year. He's like, I'll keep doing this to Lydoy. Yeah. So I'm not a bit of like, I'm a social entrepreneur, so I made unto social entrepreneurs this year, which is a group of, uh, group of people. Your picture are an idea, your social idea. So my, my, my idea is to go into the private areas and try and changes generation. So I've come up with a project called Region Back Health and Changes Generation where I go back into communities and talk to people who have been down in the bad generation, who are continuing on the bad traits of their kids and their kids are continuing on and on and on. And it's like a roundabout down there. Like, someone needs to break the soil. So my fire was locked up. Before I came, my grandad was locked up. My boy was locked It just keeps going on and on. Some of these to pull back and go, hang on a minute. Oiman charged this is my car now. Oiman charged this and torn it around 180 degrees and go down a different road. Instead of just continuing on the bad strikes, the others have given you. How do you ever put your son or your kids down the road rather? You don't change. So it feels like you've us own now at the moment. It feels like you've broken this, we'll call it a family tradition, but when people say family traditions, they normally mean it in quite a positive way, but this negative family tradition, if there's a fear like to you, you've broken it, and there's no chance to go back to this. Hold up a sec. Or every set where you're hallblings there to get away from what we've found to me. But the thing is, you know, you inherit a fighter's bad traits regardless because it's a gene. So you inherit them when they were even realized. You can't really change that, but what you can do is you can learn how to deal with that. So that's what all you're doing. All you're doing is have to deal with all the bad traits. The goal would have been aggressive, or wouldn't have been to be in time for you guys to do and have a chat with you. Or you'd rather punch the hell out of it. You want me to start a lot to do a podcast? No, definitely no. But you know, we had all these bad traits and I didn't understand that you can inherit like you can actually follow on someone's footsteps, because the thing is, if you only know one thing, then that's all you know. So if you're fired on more than I used to fight, proper fight when the arrogance come over, you inherit that, right? You know that that's the way, well that's the way we deal with trouble, that's the way the idea is wrong. You think that's the only way, because you don't see any other way. So there's a lot of people out there that has that, But they're not willing to change it. But there is a way of changing, you know. How much it is because I know you're from a similar generation, me, from Dublin as well. And I talk to friends and they're starting to talk about their feelings now. They're starting to talk about, you know, maybe the relationship I had with my parents wasn't the perfect relationship to set me up for life. But this isn't something that was historically spoken between lads, definitely between Dublin and lads of our generation. How much of this has been you figuring this out on your own versus leaning on counselors, go ahead and work as sports psychologists? I think counseling is the way forward. Look, to be honest, the sports would get you fit and healthy, right? But the real cause of your issues will always pop the head back up. And I've seen it time and time again with lads on coaching. Because I've taught a lot of people who have been in similar situations than me, who have come to me because they know they can trust me and they know that they know what they're going through. But you always see your populace have back up because the fitness soil will only get you strong, it'll only get you so far.

9.If you don't get through a real cause of the problem, we're going to…

If you don't get through a real cause of the problem, we're going to the council and getting that negativity from down in the pit of the stomach. You don't get that out and clear it. You're just gonna come back and haunt you. So that's how you break the cycle you think. It's the councilor. A hundred percent. Councilor is so beneficial. The thing is, people need to realize this is not your fault. The way you've been brought up or the road you've been put on or whatever has happened in your life is not your fault. So don't be afraid. I remember a moment where I went to Kings Inn, to try and set a barrister and I went in And I was the only person from North Dublin in the entire Kings Inn. And I went in and we visited Meljoy on one of them. It's compulsory in your final years, your final weeks, you go in and I remember chatting to a lad in my class coming out and he'd been private school, he'd been through Trinity. And now we've been in the very traditional route for a lawyer. And you know, the public school route, I went, it was not a traditional route to get into Kings Inn. So I went in there and I remember coming out and I've shot, no, I had some friends who were in there at the time where you're visiting and I remember coming out and chatting to him and he said something that's just talking, he's like, well, it boils down to choice, doesn't it? I chose to pursue a law skill route. He chose to pursue a life of criminality. And I remember just thinking, you've no clue. I was like, if your family, your brothers are involved in it, if it's all you know, there is no choice, you're a kid. There is no choice. And it's breaking that cycle with people like you to give them that option C. There is a choice. There is positive role model even if you can't get it in your house you can find it externally. Yeah but okay people like that fucking assholes you know excuse me now he's but the change by someone just go he's just going like right the ass going like don't get me wrong like what the deal is not really paying it's bad and wrong but you need to go and have a look at what goes on the whole store isn't like aren't one of these kids that are up there have been brought up in certain situations. The motor fire or alcoholics, fire or the folks off, which the norm, and the motor's left to look at. The motor's more interested in, you know, they just don't have a mindset. They're just all they're thinking of is having a drink, like some type of society of the boat here. Like the kids have no chance to look. They literally have no chance. And then when you are not low to the kid, all you generate is negative, because you don't know what low fields are like, You don't know why it's going to have a buried near Christmas, right? You don't get that long factor of a home. I never lived in a home until I met my wife. Never knew what I was going to be loved. Never got buried in your presence. Never sat down with me and, you know, we love you kissing you and hugging you. As our kids deserve to get, right? Or do all that in the kids. It's only when I met my wife and we generated a loving family of every of those who would shit out being trained when they've never got me this. When that happens here, You generate a negative bond and so age it. And you don't care about people. And that looks at you, you tell them to fuck off. Anyone that, you know, you just want to steal things, you just want to be a bollocks. That's what happens. Cause, and then people, you have people just tell them that they're stolen bags, fuck them. But then there's no one back in the month, there's no one putting anything on the preventative measure. Like it caused the tax payer 360,000 a year to jail at juvenile in the Alvers town. 360,000 a year, right? That's fucking not made the number of other measures, not paying in that area. Because you have three dads coming from, say, Darren down to prison, right, to the Dallas town, once a year, right? That's nearly a million year, right? If you invest into that area, two or three on the ground a year, I'm trying to prevent kids going down the bar, probably, and you could do a three on the ground. You could prevent one kid going down, you could pay for that money. for me, I do not know how to maximize it. No. Well, that preventative thing for me, it's because it's a, you know, whatever it is, if the pool hall, if the badminton court or whatever it is, you put in, you start getting, like you were identified in the jail, you start getting the positive people, gravitate towards that. And then they're slowly soaking in people who are borderline positive. Well, touching on that point, how much of now do you believe in this? Because I'm a big believer in it. are the sum of the people you surround yourself with, the tree or the average of the five, you know, some people use tree, some people use five. How much creating is you put on that now? And how can you surround yourself with positive people if there's not more negative in an area? No, but take now for you in triathlon, how much of it is stepping away from the old friends and now surround yourself with? I have a negative people to try and make them positive. These are... Yeah, I don't look up for them because I know I'm going to go to place. So we have to go look up our people who are struggling. We're going currently a big brother for a kid over there. Where is he? Up to him below. I'm a big brother to a 16 year old over there. He's lost a little bit of fire. He's so negative. It doesn't even seem. He's driving over and he's driving. His time's tired to fuck off. But you know, we're going to go a place and it's time to reach back and look to help people. You need, like people need to start pointing the finger going, fuck them, they're negative, stay away from them. What do you think negative? For what reason? You know, is there a little cast on being negative? Come in on, have a chat with them. Come in on, try and help them. You know, it's so easy just to fucking child people away and say, I leave them, they're muppets. You know, I don't know how far that, I'm far. Where's the negative person?

10.Help me help that person. That's brilliant

Help me help that person. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. I love that, that e-tales on it. So what's, what's next for you? I see for anyone that's listening, most of our listeners are podcasts, but it's going up on YouTube as well. So people will say, Jair has quite an elaborate neck brace contraption on at the moment. You broke your neck. You tell me story rather than me telling. Well, we're making the 2050 July in a half or nine. And I'm off the bike down here into a room in 90 degrees. Triathletes love a crash. I teach you how to go around a corner someday. He chased the package of the machines, he went out here, he had a stomp, he had a stomp, I didn't carry it off in a swim or I went to Kerry General Hospital. Dave to throw it in the arms with a soft tissue, I raced another race two weeks after, finished that and then he went by a pain. Three weeks after that, I decided to do a no-rock follow-up on the arm. It only matters 1.0 in the swing, back in the arm, when Dr. Ahol's had a fucking negative staying thinking, going and giving up to her now and all this. And I said, you know what, your legs are on with. So put your choice in back on. My ex back up to the marathon practice, the arm on, and I asked him because I finished the marathon. And my ex back up to the marathon practice, the arm on, and I asked him because I finished the marathon. And my ex back up to the marathon, as you do. We finished them out in three hours and three hours of treatment, it's in pure anger because we've pissed off. Best thing I ever done because it put me back in the mowing frame of jawa, the legs are falling, you can do anything you want to do. So we got a CAT scan and the tummy was a broken neck. So I'm in a car since about 10 weeks now I'm in a car so neck breaks. So when do you get that off? I'm back up in the end of the month. Have you picked any targets for next season? Or what's the next big challenge? Well, I'm looking to do a short three on the sixth of the time, but we're over there with plant breaks. Yeah, sure. Legs are still working, as you said. It's been working. So now I'm not skills. I know there's going to be a bunch of people after this podcast now and they're going to be like, where can we follow your journey? Where can we follow your story? Where's the best place for them to do that? for them to do that. So, my Instagram, I lost hope. Jerry Revan Foyev on Instagram would be the best place to follow him. And all your coaching stuff is linked up there as well. Yes, I mean, web so it was linked to the Instagram account on the pro foot. And it's well worth checking out these videos up there, podcasts up there that are brilliant. Jerry, before I let you go, last question, I'd like to ask every guest, same question. I'm sure it's going to be a bizarre answer for you because you're not the typical guest I have on the the podcast, but true your whole, you know, I'll extend it to you and army say someone's athletic life, but true your whole life. What's the one piece of advice that can be trained that voice nutrition advice or just life advice that you wish someone had given you back in the day that you wish someone had given 16 year old Jared, it was coming back from Don Ferman. What's the piece of advice you're whispering his ear now? Well, the choice I give the people is down point the finger at people who are in the dysfunctional lifestyle tour, who are dealing with the wrong things in life. Look a bit forward, I get to the real cause and do something positive to try and help them pay in a more positive life. It's so easy for us just to point the finger at the end, but I don't know what goes on behind $12. So, but there is a better life out there and it doesn't matter where you're from. Just one thing for sure to know if it's this, nothing will be handy on the plate. If you want something you're going to walk hard for hard walk, always pass. So if you want it, you've got to go after it. That's a good message. Jerry Redmond, President of the Pro, legend, thanks for chatting. Jerry Lado, thanks, pal. Okay, stop what you're doing. It's Anthony again. I want to talk to you for one second about the next step in the roadman journey. I'm laying down a challenge for you. It's called the eight-week challenge. So for eight weeks, I'm challenging you to be the very best version of yourself. Whatever that is. For eight weeks, I want to take you under my wing and I want to personally build for you the customized training plan on our analytics platform. This plan is going to be laser focused on your goal and I'm going to navigate around your life, your work, your social commitments. So don't worry about what your circumstances are right now. 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