1.Welcome to the podcast Mr. J

Welcome to the podcast Mr. J. Vine NeoPro from Alpason Thenx. Let's cue that intro! The big question is this. How do we use cycling as a tool to improve our health, our happiness and our longevity? That is the question on this podcast will give you the answers. My name is Anthony Walsh and welcome to the roadman podcast. Roadman, welcome back to another roadman cycling podcast. It's our Wednesday long form interview and I've got a whopper interview for you today. I've been really excited to bring this one to you. It's Mr. J. vine. If you don't know that name, you must have your head under a rock. J one does with Academy challenge this year. And as a result, netted himself a contract with none other than Machuva and Appol's team, Alperson Fenix. I talked to Jay about what it's like to step from continental level in Australia to the very apex of the sport. He's left his life in Australia and he's moved over to Jerome to the home of Saikland and he's getting stuck in with the big boys. He's kicking off his season in mid-April at at the Toratorky, but it's just a fascinating conversation because he's basically living every cyclist stream and he's plucked from continental level in Australia and now trust into the heat of battle with Albus and Phoenix. It's a great interview and before I bring you that, just let me remind you about Patreon. It's the link is patreon.com forward slash Anthony underscore watch and it's the place you can go to buy me a beer once a month. It's just like, thanks for the podcast, Thanks for connecting with Jay. Thanks for bringing this interview. It's how we fund this podcast. The podcast is not sponsored. It's entirely funded by user contributions. If you're not donating at the moment, you can thank your fellow listeners because they are keeping the show on the road. So if you can afford to price the beer once a month, I'd ask you to visit the link below. Also, all Jay's social media, his Instagram is linked up below. Well worth giving him a follow. We actually charted offer after the show and we're gonna get Jay back on a few times throughout the year to just Give us a little bit of insight into life as a neo pro and really excited about that This is a cracker of an interview ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the roadman podcast. Mr. Jay vine Jay vine welcome to the roadman cycling podcast All right, thanks. Thanks. I'm happy to be here Jay, vine, Alpason, Fenix, Pro, Saiklyn. Does that sink in yet? Or does it sound a bit weird for you? Yeah, I actually got asked this question a couple of weeks ago that, am I a professional until I've done my first race? And I thought of jokingly said, yeah, yeah, I'm claiming it. But I think deep down, it hasn't quite sunk in yet. I haven't started my first race with the team. So it's sort of still a bit weird but yeah. But Jay, the big question is, have you cast your first paycheck from the team? Oh, mate, absolutely. Like that's all happening. But you're also... You're also interested. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, does that mean the guy that delivers my Uber Eats? Is he a professional cyclist, you see? You know what? He's probably a lot more professional. I'm better paid than most continental riders have. Yeah. Well, he's a lot better paid than I was last year. I didn't get any money as a continental cycle. So, yeah, there you go. You made zero salaries a continental? Mate, it was a net deficit being a cyclist in Australia. Like, no domestic cycle in Australia could pay a dime. That's it. This is actually a great interest in place to start, because so many listeners to the podcast that, I wrote Contenta Level for Estelis in the US and I was looking after I did get paid. Now we're not talking rockstar salary here, we're talking like McDonald's salary. But I got something which is a lot more than most people get Contenta Level. But the public perception is, oh you're a Contenta-roiter, you're a pro, you must be making millions a year. It's so far from that. Yeah, like even my own mother came to me after the Fifth Academy going Oh, your contract, you'll be at a $1,200 a month place in Europe when you move over there. The average cyclist gets paid 500,000 a year. What article did you read, MotherD? That is just completely wrong. You know what, and we're seeing some weird stuff going on, more Italian teams than anything where even at pro continental and some world tour riders that are the teams are paying them the full contract because they're legally obliged to do it but then the rider has to give back a massive portion of that contract in like houching fees or equipment subsidy or some bullshit like that Wow okay yeah I don't know I can't come in on anything like that Yeah, we didn't even get the offer in Australia to do anything like that.

2.Thing with Australia is to try and get noticed, you basically got to…

But the thing with Australia is to try and get noticed, you basically got to ride like you are already pro continental. You've got to be at that level so that you can get notice in the, well, there's only Asia Pacific, there's only three Pacific Oceania UCI races, but to get notice in the Asian circuit or if you're lucky enough to get over to Europe with the Australian under 23 team or one of the bigger continental teams in Australia, you've got to be putting out ridiculous numbers off the back of no salary trying to keep yourself alive in Australia, either working a job or studying or doing both or all three. And most people would know that you don't get the most value yourself if you're dividing your time between two or three different things. Yeah, and also this is why cycling is so much of a young man's game and it's It's not step like we see amazing performances from writers laterities, vavirde, you know, incredible performances from writers, you know, well beyond their mid twenties. But the problem is when you're trying to break true as a writer, it's not cool to be living on your in your mom's house earning zero money for 10 years and saying I'm a pro cyclist or I'm trying to make it as a pro cyclist. The window runs out on that. And that's where most people get caught. like say, like I can't do this into my mid 20s. It's just starts, I need to earn money at some point. Yeah, absolutely. So I mean, that's basically my story. I was lucky enough to meet my wife out of straight out high school. So we sort of, you know, moved out of home and when we were only 18. You know, we went through the, you know, minimum wage cycle where we were both working flat out to basically put a roof over their heads. And, you know, I was, I don't even just got into cycling, so you didn't need a lot of riding to see improvement there. But when I turned 24 or 23, that was when the road cycling bug really did bite me. And when I turned 24, that was when I went from a, I'd say a low wage government job, our contract ended. So we decided to, my wife had a stable job as an EA in the government as well. She told me that, look, don't bother going and getting another job. If you really want to try and become a professional cyclist, you realistically, you've got two two years to get noticed, otherwise the odds of you getting noticed picked up in Europe are, you know, they're already really low, they're even getting lower every year. Yeah, definitely. So go, give it your help, give it your all to become professional. So for 18 months before the Zwift Academy even happened, I had not earned a dime except for maybe the other joke of it, prize money in Australia, you get more out of a collaboration than you do out of a national level race, probably $1,000 worth of prize money over the course of 18 months as a domestic cyclist in Australia. That's not including, you have to pay for accommodation to anything that's not national. You know, it's, it's, there's a lot of funds that go into this. Uh, I'm assuming you're getting bikes, equipment, stuff like that covered. Spotted team. Oh, um, last year, last year was really good. So the team did a deal where we, they provided a bike. Uh, they provided, uh, kits and they provided travel, um, via van. You just have to get yourself to the van, uh, to all national races. But you had to give the bike back at the end of the year. The year before that, no, you basically bought cost price. So, they were asking. But yeah, even last year, if I needed new tires, I had to basically buy the cost price. Otherwise, my bike didn't move. I remember racing in France, I raced with a French amateur team over there and one of the rare occasions I sneaked into the break in a division national race and it was like a 200-220k race, but I'd been living off 50-year-old week budget for food. So I was so fucking hungry. I'm not riding a suit or I'm walking around now at about 79-80 kilograms. I was racing in France at 68 kilograms and I was like properly starving, starting to race and I was in this break in a 200 plus kilometer race, got back to the team car, I'm like dude I'm absolutely starving like if you got another bar or another jail or something and he's like no you can't run through your allocation for today. I was like oh my god. I'm literally gonna get dropped like give me something to eat like. Right the opposite issue that Sam Bennett had yesterday or the day before.

3.Exactly. Yeah. Like that's the sort of wealth you're dealing with…

Exactly. Yeah. Like that's the sort of wealth you're dealing with with Tom Bennett here. He can ease to the point that glutes. Yeah. Like I don't want to sound ungrateful here. Like the amount of support that people get in Australia, it comes from the right place. But the market share that we have over there, it's just not big enough to provide the return on investment to anyone that's trying to invest in cycling. It's a lot of money to come out of a small business. Unless you're getting the Virgin International or you're getting the KPMG endorsement where they can go, oh yeah, we'll drop 50 grand into that team of the tax offset. A small business that's that's that's their revenue for six months a year. But you know I think Reuters could be better with this as well. So many Reuters think winning races matters, podiums matter like coming forward in the fucking KOM matters. It doesn't like the vast majority of the public. Yeah, the cyclan interacts to go on pro-soiklands that's care about that stuff. But like normal people don't care about that and your sponsor wants to see some return on investment, like having strong social media game, having, you know, like this going on podcasts and chatting about, there's a bunch of people today are going to go, Oh, what's Alpusson Phoenix? They're going to go and they're going to check out Alpusson, Marcafine, shampoo, and no doubt they're going to sell some stuff off the back of you come on a podcast. But there's a generation of Reuters there that aren't willing to do this stuff. I think I feel like it's the older generation, but that's no good to sponsors in this sort of new social media-driven era? For sure. And I think there was, I was actually listening to a podcast with one of the Michelin's co-op writers, their bike exchange now, last year. And he said that they were getting more, they got more interaction with their head sponsor through their Zwift rides than they had in the last three years of them racing the world to it. So in the three months the lockdown of them doing with meetups online, they have more interactions through their main sponsor than three years. That's crazy. That's ridiculous. You could just run as with team and get the same out of their world to a team. Obviously, a fraction of the budget. Did you watch a bike exchange? You know what? I don't even know if I'm going to start calling them but their new names. I'm still fighting Carl in the ocean. He also got, so did you watch bike exchange when they used to be green edge? They had backstage pass. Yeah, absolutely. That was awesome. I basically grew up on that. Yeah. Like I watched on Netflix recently the Formula One series drive to survive, I think it's called. And it's brilliant. And it brought me back to the green edge backstage pass. And I don't get why more teams aren't doing this. Like that sucked so many new Formula One fans into that ecosystem. Cycling were just, you know, the emphasis is on the wrong thing. It's the old school purist of, oh yeah, I got a top 10 in Ghent, Veligim. Like I watched the race the weekend. I couldn't even tell you who came in the fucking top 10. Like outside the podium, I don't even, outside the break. You know, but like nobody knows like, Oh Van Holliedon got seventh. It's like, what? Yeah, I mean, and that's where I think, yeah, you've got to, it's interesting. You've got to put focus on the social media, but you do need the talent and the results to make it, trying to think of the work here, trying to make them a journalist. people took notice that Chris Froome when he talked about this break. Yes. You know, like if I just came out of a blue last year and said, yeah, you know, this break's horrible. I don't actually think that by the way. But, you know, if I said that, everyone would be, you know, okay, you're a random continental writer who's not paid in Australia talking about this break. No, no one cares. But Chris Froome squeaks about this break, then the whole journalistic world talks about it for over a week. But you know what, I think if Mitch Docker says it on his podcast, because I've had Mitch on this podcast and his podcast is brilliant if you haven't listened to it. Yep, like in the Peloton, yep, yep. It's cool. I think if Mitch Docker says it, it's important and people take notice as well, because he's built an audience. Frooms built an audience by being a generational greatest writer we've seen. Mitch Docker has, you know, with respect to Mitch, much more limited talent, like obviously massive talent compared to me, but limited talent compared to Frilm. But he's figured out his own little corner and he's built a huge audience through the life and the Peloton.

4.Think people care about his opinion on stuff like that

I think people care about his opinion on stuff like that. For sure, for sure. And I think, I think we are about to start seeing the signing of riders based on that. You know, like, obviously they're going to have to have the numbers to be able to do their job on the road. But you are going to see people purchasing riders because they can see a return on investment. I think Sagar, he's not winning like 40 races a year anymore. He's not the triple world champion. He's not in the Rainbow Jersey right now. But he's still worth an absolute bundle just based on his palmaros. If he was to start a podcast or if he was to start a blog channel, if he was, if for a hired a blog person to walk around behind the gun, it would get a million players every time. It would be gold. Because it's funny you said it, because my girlfriend only started watching cycling about two and a half years ago. Like every race she's like, oh, who's going to win this? And I'm like, oh, the second's got to be in the mix. And she's like, what do you keep saying, Sagan? He hasn't won a race since I've started watching cycling. And I know we won't get to Lonya to weekend, but this was the conversation was before that. It's true. He very infrequently wins at the moment. but obviously we're just used to seeing them like winning everything in so I can't. Yeah, yeah. Like my mother knows like to try and describe cycling, I keep coming back to my mother, but I can come back to my mother. She knows baby three or four cyclists. She knows the The guidance, she knows, through, she knows, Richie Porte, based, I'm a without van Aart and Matthew Van der Poel, so five cyclists. Trying to describe, okay, this is the type of situation that the race is in, and this is why they're doing this, and the rider one, because he's this type of cyclist, I've basically got five riders that I can describe. And it's a bit tricky when you're trying to describe Wapana and Matthew Vanapol of, oh well yeah, the Poggio is a climb, but it's not a crisp room climb. Oh, why can't he get up the Poggio? Well, he can get up the Poggio mother, but he just can't punch over the Poggio like these other guys. Oh, is that because he's legs are small. It's, there's a number of reasons, their mum. You know what, we have a general problem in cycling at that the moment. It's the onboarding from not knowing anything about cycling to trying to get into watch cycling. It's a massive chasm. Like if you don't know much about football and you tune into watch a football match, yeah, sure, you're going to miss some of the nuances of the tactics, but you're pretty much going to be able to understand what's going on. But if you just tune into a cycling race, like I have a buddy who's a triathlete and he's just getting into cycling. And I was watching the end of the E3 Saxo, the other day with him. And like, he does not have a fucking clue what's going on. Like it's borderline like ridiculous how little he knows what's going on. And it's even difficult, because we have this weird cyclum vocabulary that we think everyone else speaks the same way. And like, oh yeah, he's scrubbing, he's after flicking off onto the back, you know, he's whatever, it's this vocabulary we've fine tuned from being in the sport for a decade lost. But other people don't have that. And that's why that's cool. And it's inclusive when you're in the know. It's also very exclusionary. And it's difficult for other people to make the transition into the sport when they're just newbies. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's, yeah, the, the, I mean, as lucky as we are right now with the amount of cyclists that can just do everything. It makes it harder to explain how some races are suited to other people, to some slice of riders and they're not suited to others, especially when you've got riders like Alice Elite who could nearly win the Tour de France a couple of years ago, but also in win a Milan San Remo, but can also win possibly win a flander this year. It's crazy. Alex Haus had a great example where he's like, you try and explain the tour of France to somebody who doesn't know anything about cyclanets like, okay, well it's three weeks and then we've erased for the yellow jersey and the green jersey, but then there's also a race to the top of each hill. Then each day there's a winner, but overall after the three weeks there's another winner and it's like, it's confusing as fuck. He's like, you try and explain a gravel race to somebody.

5.It's like, yeah, we're going to ride for six hours and you've got to…

It's like, yeah, we're going to ride for six hours and you've got to bring your own snacks. It's like, it's so different. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I love cycling because, I mean, if you're in the know generally, there's never a dull moment. Like, especially in, you know, grand two racing, unless it's a flat stage where there's a KOM point 70 kilometers in, it's a 240 K stage, like they usually have in the gyro about in week three just to tie everyone out. And nothing, I don't think it happens for five hours. Yeah, that's pretty boring. But in some of those mountain days, you've got guys desperately trying to get points for the KOM jersey. And there's, for going off in a break, trying to get green jersey points. And it's usually something's always going on, but I can understand for someone who's just tuning in. And they're probably tuning into the Tour de France if they're just tuning in. No idea what's going on. 100%. We touched on this kind of hybrid of somebody who can push the big numbers, but also has a wider, you know, I suppose marketability for once better word to the wider public. Jay, is that right? Are you? Like, I've seen your numbers and they're fucking wild. Like, for 30, I see it was a video on YouTube where you're talking about two 20 minute threshold to 20-minute efforts of four turkey watts. Like that's milk watering stuff. And obviously you have the market ability after coming through and winning the Zwift Academy. Is this hybrid rider you? Is that how you see yourself or is that how you maybe hope to leverage this one-year contract into a wider career? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Like, I guess I'm not trying to market myself as that person. It's certainly not what I set out to do when I started cycling. I basically started cycling because I live riding my bike. I guess I'm really interested in sharing what I'm doing, sharing what's going on. And if that gets attention, if people are interested in listening to me, listening to my insights and all that, then yeah, I'm happy to keep doing it. It's no real skin off my nose. certainly posting a couple of posts on Instagram certainly doesn't take much much effort but yeah I think I think in the future if you especially after the first couple of years you know if you're in the sport for three or four years and you're not you're not getting results you're not you're not having a great time, affecting your training, you sort of have to show teams something else that keeps you around because there's always more riders coming up. And if you've got 19-year-old Remko Benopole coming up with insane numbers, obviously he's going to display to you a pretty quick start if you're not performing. Yeah, I was thinking about this before the podcast, and I was thinking, you know, if I was in your shoes and I'm sitting on a one year contract. How am I trying to differentiate myself in this world where, world tour everyone's a great writer, there's no bad writers at world tour and I chat it to Mike Wartsfield podcast and I raced against Mike a lot and we're Conte level and Mike was saying, at continental level, you maybe have five guys, 10 guys, that can win. Then you step up to pro Conte and you still maybe have another, maybe it gets a bit it wider, maybe have 50 guys who under they can win. He's like, but he gets the world to where he's like, almost everyone can win under day. It's just now it's the teams are designating roles. And maybe some people won't win because of that. But everyone has that ability to take and twist you inside out. So how do you differentiate yourself in such a talented group on such a short, you know, leash with one year and obviously you've been quite a late start as well your season? Yeah, I mean, and that's why I skipped my road nationals in February, the start of February. I skipped my road nationals and I skipped the domestic Santa Claus Festival. It's replaced the Tour de la Nanda this year. And basically just focused on building up a I really saw a base that I could have a really long season this year. I've already gone through essentially 7,000, nearly 8,000 Ks this year to get ready for whatever the team wants to throw at me. I'm trying to be as involved as I can with promoting the team's brands as it is. And yeah, just trying to, now that I'm in Europe, lean as quickly as possible, as much as I can without actually racing. You know, I'm always watching all the races, watching the lads. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm going to tour Turkey. Excuse me. Does Kukurana for us, could be taking out a tour of Turkey there from the sounds of it.

6.Everyone's been Spanish here so I don't usually have to talk that much

Everyone's been Spanish here so I don't usually have to talk that much. Yeah, so yeah, I'm off to Duro Turkey in the middle of April. So that's my first pro rate. And certainly think it's going to be a step up from the Herald Sun tour, which was my last UCI event all the way back to the start of 2020. pre-coronant. So how have you settled in with the guys? Like you've gone from last year buying your own tires to his year being teammates with arguably the best rider in the world at the moment, Machuveander Paul. Like what's that transition? Like do you feel like they're your peers or is there still a little bit of imposter syndrome? Yeah, I mean, I haven't really spent much time with the guys. I mean, I missed out on all the team camps and stuff at the start of the year. So, yeah, the training camps all happened around the time of the VISTA Academy, slash just after, and, you know, being in Australia, our government didn't want anyone really going and leaving the country to then come back to a three-week later, which is what I would have had to do since I didn't have any visas all set up to start my transition to living in Europe. So we couldn't really get me over to meet the team before the big move, really. So that's got to be, you know, I suppose extra weighing on your minds nearly a little? Yeah, I mean, I've met one of Alexander Kreiger, the German. He was in Gerona. I think he's still in Gerona. We met for a coffee the other day. You know, they're the most the 10 most the teams Euro guys they all in their own countries The first time we all really get together is the seven of us at Turkey But you know, I like to think I'm a fairly personable guy, so hopefully hopefully we get to meet and Gel pretty well together at Turkey out of the assault into your own out. Have you got training partners there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Settled in up in here since the third of March, so it's pretty good here. We've got internet, got electricity, got a coffee machine, so all the base for coverage. Bri only got here about a week ago though, so she had to wait for a bit more extra paperwork from the Spanish embassy back in Canberra. Yeah, the writing, you often find that unless you've got someone who's pretty similar to you, who's on pre-similar programs, everyone sort of does their own thing. Because if you think about it, someone who's doing four-minute efforts after five hours, that's sort of a very specific type of workout compared to someone who's doing sprints in the first 20 minutes of their rides, you know? Yeah, and you know, I got to see that with Conti-rudders and they go out to Jerona a lot. They end up just doing whatever session the World Tour guys are doing. And you know, you fast forward a few months down the road and you should have no structure for training anymore. They're just going out and sitting on fucking Ronde Dennis for the day. Yeah, yeah. And that's sort of, you know, like when, if we've got, we've got sessions that sort of line up, you know, if you, if any, any can manager, Yeah, go out with a guy. But you don't really want to go out with more than one or two guys because then it's less time on the front and you're not getting as much of a training benefit sitting in the wheels. Like you really want to sit in the wheel than a race but when you're training you want to push yourself in five times. So do you have your couple of lads that you'd like to meet up with for a China with? Yeah, yeah. I've been riding with Sam Monday. rides for the Novo Disc team I'm pretty sure that's what they call very concy team riding on our go. Yeah, good buddy mate. Steven Clancy's riding for them as well. Yeah, yeah, either Naughty from Armada. I used to live near where he grew up and Jimmy Willman as well, he's up at our out of duty at the moment, but we've been riding together. Yeah, that's basically the only two I've been riding with. I've been riding with a couple of triathletes as well, but. It's careful on the corners. Yeah. It's mainly, yeah, you're mainly gonna do your own thing to do on us, because otherwise you're not, you're not being the session done that you need to get done. And you've only got a limited amount of TFS, and I'll limit it to a amount of hours per week. Now you don't want to be going in wasting three or four hours on something that wasn't in the program. Yeah, I think that's the beauty of your own as well.

7.Can get like I'm living in Dublin now, and I'm kind of like 40…

You can get like I'm living in Dublin now, and I'm kind of like 40 minutes of chunk before I can start writing properly and from till my power meter actually matters. But your own, you're straight on it. Like if you want, you can be up as angels, like, you know, 10 minutes after leaving the Barri Vale, like it's so perfect. Yeah, I was actually going to be like, Oh, I turned that good. But not, yeah, I was getting a bit frustrated today trying to get out of town. Well, you know what? When you're new there, it's so hard to get out of town. Like, there's a, it's just a few ways to get out of town. But like, I've been fatigued coming home in your own, like just fucking lost going around the town trying to find my way back home. Yeah, the way they're coming back in a bit tricky is where we are, but on the way out it's pretty quick. The one-way road is what gets you here. You know, you're popped out of one-way road and you're like, oh, this is a completely wrong direction. I just pop up onto the footpath and wave and they scoot the, scoot the, all the way along. Yeah, and the police I have heard started confiscating bikes off cyclists who are breaking the one way system Go have a good time where I heard a couple of lads talking about it. So Don't have you an interesting call up to the to the DS of your new team saying you got your boy confiscate Yeah, well All right. Jay, just before I let you go. Thank you very much. Before that you go, what's the schedule looking like for you this season or what are you most looking forward to? Because it's pretty exciting. You're living out. Most people listen to the podcast. You're getting to live their dream. You have a one-year contract on Albus and Phoenix as a team at Machuveh Underpol. What most sticking out for you? Yeah, so had a really good conversation with Christoph, and basically where we ended up was, look we're going to try a little Turkey, see how it goes, see what sort of writer I'm sort of going to write a programme I'm sort of going to fit in with and go from there. But if my latest results on Strava or anything to go by, nothing would be off the table for the rest of the year, which is pretty incredible, really. If that, if anything goes well at Turkey, I'm really hoping for a Lombardia start at the end of the season. That'd be pretty special for me. water race, water race. That was the first monument that I ever watched. I got into cycling in 2014, watching the Tour de France and the second race I watched was Lombardian. Yeah, are you gonna have a go at the Rocacobas with, sorry, as Rocacobas' travel record? I've already got that one. You got the Rocacobas travel, no way! Yeah, yes, I've got that. What time did you do? uh 26, 40, 3 or something? Shut the fuck up, that's unbelievably fast. Yeah, that was um 450 watts average. Man, that's depressing. That's... Yeah, look, you're doing your tang, Jay. Best of luck for the season, yes. I've definitely got to get out of your own as soon as restrictions left, so I'm going to be scrubbing off your whale and claiming these records from my own. Yeah, well, when you're down here hit me up because yeah, I'm obviously riding a lot. Looking forward to it Jay. Thanks for chatting. Cool. Thanks mate. Hey everybody, it's Anthony again. Really quick, I want to invite you to join arguably the best thing I've ever put out inside the roadman community. It's a challenge. It's a challenge called a 14 day kickster challenge. So regardless of where your fitness is at right now, this going to be the catalyst for making you faster and making you leaner. I've created this challenge to take the guesswork out of everything. It's 14 days of training plans regardless of what your level is. There's the master's beginner, advanced, there's meal plans, shopping list and even a video course holding your hand and talking you true at all. So what I recommend you do right now is just stop everything, press pause on this audio and go to roadmansoycling.com forward slash 14 day or check out the link in the bio at roadmancycling.com slash 14 day.