The journey starts for their very skeptical. You know they expect to come in and do a little bit of light stretching and maybe a little bit of breathing and are actually really surprised by how physically and mentally challenging it is. I also think our viewers watching this, someone I'm shorter at varying degrees of fitness from, they spend their entire day cycling because that's what they get paid to do, they pick up their paycheck. And so they're super fit through in the elite athletes in the world. But on the far end of that spectrum, you probably have guys who are riding the bicycle once or twice a week, who are a little out of shape, maybe are coming back from injury, maybe they haven't participated in sport for a number of years. I see this with a lot of clients coming in for the first time. And there's an intimidation factor it seems getting into yoga. It's massively female dominated, which can be very intimidating for a lot of lads getting in. But also, this seems to be a bit confused and it's almost like a yoga academia snubbery around all the different types of names. Vinnya's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're going to break down that kind of, you know, exclusionary horror. You know what, it's so funny because even as a yoga teacher, I feel that or I felt that when we were in studios. And I think, you know, it's really important and that's why it's something that today is great to kind of break that down because you know it's not an elite group and I that again it comes back to the teacher I think because it's about making it really kind of accessible but also it is an inclusive environment and it should always be like any kind of sport it should be an inclusive environment so it's really important where you go, who you practice with. What I would say is if you ever are when when you get back to being in studios, you know, in a studio or working with someone and you feel that, like, that's not the right place to be, you know, and it shouldn't be made to be anything other than, you know, something that's really beneficial for you physically and mentally. But I've been in those studios like in New York, particularly, I find New York really intimidating, if you're in London as well, and you know, almost people have their like specific place and if you're in their place, you know, you get the evils. And that's just not what it's all about. And I think that's really important. The amount of times that people have said to me as well, oh, no, I can't do yoga. Like I'm totally not flexible at all. And you just want to be like, oh, that's the start. And it really is. It's kind of cliche as it sounds. Anyone can do yoga. And the great thing about it is flexibility can always be improved on your mobility, can always be improved on. So whether you are in the bike every day or whether you're having on the bike once a week, on whatever kind of issues or injuries or kind of what you're recovering from in your body, all of that can be really helped. And that's why I love working with athletes of any level or whether you're into any other type of sports because you can always aid and improve your performance and also your recovery, no matter what level you're at. The key though is to practice it the right way. So to be doing the right kind of pose, you're not gonna jump into a handstand if you've got like issues going on in your back, like that's not gonna be helpful. I feel like that snobbery is, it's not unique to yoga. It seems to be almost unique to anything where there's a body, mind, connection. Like you see it a lot in meditation, which obviously crosses over a lot of the breeding practices for yoga. And it's like this, you know, personalization meditation where people are like, well, my way of doing meditation is really good when your way is shit. And you're like, well, it's just about really being quiet and being still. There's no best way here. It's best for you. It's a very individual thing. So, I was in an interview a couple of months ago, and someone said to me, so how long do you meditate for every day? And I was like, I don't. They're like, the shark. They were like, what do you mean? Like, you're a yoga teacher. And I was like, I don't like to call it meditation because I feel it puts people off. People, I mean, I think it's coming around now. But at the time, it's definitely this kind of stigma around meditation or like that people feel like it has to be done a certain way. to sit down legs crossed, no breath, like no noise.
And that's just not the reality of it. Like, and our lives don't always allow for that. I think meditation and mindfulness are so interlinked. So it's more important to learn to be present. That could be sitting in your car while you're waiting for the kids. That could be on your bike, you know, or that was five minutes before you go on your bike or when you got off the bike, you know, it's when you're when you're in the shower. So it's really important to do what works for you. I know if someone said to me, okay, and I go meditate for 20 minutes if they're in, you don't move like where's the big red button like you can press, you know. So I think it's really important to understand that something like that meditation, it's very personal. And I use Adaptive to what works best for you in whatever situation you're in. Well, I know for me, I definitely try focus on that mindful element. When I'm cycling up to side of a mountain, a mountain obviously of gravity working against your climbing on the bike is notoriously difficult. But at that moment, no matter how stressed I am, what works, stuff, personal life, stuff, I never think of anything in the past and I never think of anything in the future. I'm just there and I try and focus on that moment up the mountain to the top of the mountain. And that's my, you know, I'll try and meditate occasionally, but it's not a practice that I always nail down. I'm big on morning routines and I talk on the podcast and across the summit a lot about cold therapy, light therapy, well meditation is my optional extra in the morning if I have a load of time in the morning I'll try and meditate but most of the time it is that just up the side of the mountain but I'm going somewhere with this, you don't worry, I have a question at the end. So it's the connection of breath and effort I suppose is what I want to get to because you're cycling up the side of the mountain and a lot of time if we're not practicing this sort of mindfulness up the side of the mountain, our breath does get away from us and that's a limiter for a lot of athletes when they think about climbing. They're like, I just have so out of breath, I can't get it back. How come you use yoga to solve that? I'm waiting for that question. I think actually, if I'm going to jump back a little bit, when you were even talking about like, you know, when you are going up that mountain and you're not thinking ahead and you're not thinking about what's happened before. I think that's really key and I think athletes go through that all the time and I think a lot of people don't realize that one of the key benefits of yoga is that endurance mentally, not just physically and we don't talk enough about that I think and I'm not a master cyclist but I understand a little bit having worked with other cyclists in the past or I kind of align it to my marathon experience, you know, when I would be running and I'd hit that 20-mile mark, you know, you're just in that moment and it's almost what makes you keep going is your mind. Like, I remember, I only did one marathon, but I'll always remember I hit like, I hit 18 miles and I thought, oh God, it's going to get worse, it's going to get worse. And I thought, right, wherever you are, you're fine, you can keep going. And it was my mind that got me through the marathon and my last like four or five miles were my strongest, purely because it was all in my head. Like I just kind of came out of my body. And I think it's the same, obviously same when you're getting up that mountain. It's how we speak to ourselves. And so it's two things, absolutely it's breath work, but it's also that ability to really kind of control your mind and be in your mind, not letting those negative thoughts or those doubts or frustrations or even future thoughts thoughts or past thoughts come in. It's how can I be right here and connecting into the breath is just crucial. So through yoga, as you say, we do so many different breathing techniques that you weave through. And a key thing with yoga, quite a popular practice, for example, is vinyasa yoga. And that's just linking movement to breath. So you would often have one movement to one breath. But there are so many other different practices where You know you're trying to slow your breath down, you're trying to just expand, you know, the capacity of your breath because if you, it's really interesting actually and especially because I have a newborn, if you watch a baby breathing, everything moves, right?
So their belly, their ribs, everything moves and up and down on every breath. And adults loses that. Like there'll be a little movement. So what we want to do is get people back to finding that, like we call it a three part breath, where you breathe into your belly, your ribs and your chest and you feel everything move on every inhale and every exhale. And it's really interesting how many people struggle to get that connection. So you know you can do it with putting your hands on your body to really find that. So we start with things like that and then you can lengthen the breath. So we instead of taking a big, go in and exhale out. Sometimes we need that when we're frustrated. I feel like that's what we do as cyclists, especially when we're under pressure, it's a panic-press. How do you almost find a really slow, but steady breath, to kind of keep the flow constant? So it's not about especially, like when you're in kind of high endurance, it's not about holding your breath at all. And you'll often find people do, athletes do it or whatever level you're at. When you're under that pressure, re-hold our breath. So it's how do you keep that really slow, continuous flow of breath. So there's constantly breath, but that will help calm you down and your body responds better, your muscles responds better. You know, it's that whole adrenaline piece as well. It's stopping that kind of flight piece. It brings you back to the fight piece. And so I feel I've been in yoga classes and anyone that hasn't been in a yoga class, it's nowhere near as easy as it sounds. I've had that anticipation going in. You know, it's a couple of light stretches. Fast forward, 45 minutes, unlike turning into a huddle on the ground. But there's definitely times that you want to quit, you want to stop, you want to go home early, you want to make your excuse. And I feel like that's a commonality in cycling because in a bike race, you know, you've typically told wife, husband, girlfriend, partner, whatever, you're going off bike racing for the day. And they're very able to ask you, how did you get on when you came home? And you want to finish the race, but there's at some point, every unexperienced is it, it's miserable, it's hard. Everyone's on the limit. And when you're on the limit, human nature is stop, quit, come up with an excuse to not finish. Yoga's very similar. How do you push past that moment where you're like, this is uncomfortable and get to the really beautiful moment of I've achieved something by pushing through some friction? Yeah. And I think it's a very personal thing. It's kind of what we touched on earlier on. It's accountability to yourself. And yoga is like training for the mind as much as it is for the body. And often I think people see yoga as a physical practice and hands up. I mean, that was me for years. And I still do, and there's still times I get in the map because I just want to really work my body, and I want to really challenge my body. But it's also about working in the mind, the muscle of the mind. It's so important to recognize that that's exactly what it is, and also to work to control it in a way that benefits us. And I think how do you get past that point is endurance. It's like your mental attitude. And you get that through practice, you get that through kind of self-talk. And that's where I think the yoga really helps because it's in those moments where you're just like, oh God, I just wanna come out of this and it's too intense, it's too much. The breathing really, really helps. So, you know, I honestly fought this for years, years, even when I probably became a teacher, I was like, no, don't really get it. And it was only having gone through something quite traumatic myself where I relied on my breath, you know, movement just wasn't an option for me in my recovery. And the breath really helped me to release, like layers of emotion, tension, stress. And I just carried that through to my movement practice when I was able to get back moving. And I find that if instead of focusing on, is it because your back is killing you, or your legs are burning, move away, shift your focus. Because you can always focus on that, right? You can focus on that part that's really killing you. Or you can choose to focus on your breath and take it one breath at a time. So that's where it comes back to the breath again, honestly, because it's very much around almost like diversion, right? diverting away from the pain or the burn and actually tapping into something you can control and your breath will give you space.
The space in the body and space in the mind. We've had speakers across the summer on arranged topics on mental strengths and we spoke about breed with Nile and coal therapy and it seems like a lot of people in their lives they seek comfort when they shouldn't be seeking comfort. They should be seeking challenges Because it's that exposure to those challenges and it's not quitting and pushing through it. It just allows you to, whether it's yoga, whether it's cycling, that quitting becomes a habit, but equally pushing through out the far side until the teacher says you're finished, not until you decide you're finished. That equally becomes a habit. Yeah, and it's so true. And I think as well, we can be so hard on ourselves in one way, but we can also be very easy on ourselves. And there's, you know, like you say, there's a time to challenge yourself. And the only thing I'd say is, you know, it's also okay to pull out of something, you know, to ease off. I think there's a clear, I suppose, difference between quitting and recognizing your body's at its maximum. I think that's really important because, you know, just because you come out as opposed or you go to the, you know, the previous option they gave, like, like you're dropping down a level, which is the wrong term, but you get what I'm saying. And that doesn't mean you're quitting. Like I think sometimes it's really important and we teach us a lot through yoga to really listen to your body. So for example, if I'm working with a group of athletes, you know, it's so important that I understand what's going on in their bodies, where their injuries are, so that, you know, I can kind of see and go, that is your max. Because if you push past that, you're gonna injure yourself. So that's not gonna be beneficial. So there's also, there's that really fine line between, you know, am I at my max? Like physically, am I really at my max? Or am I just looking for an excuse and I just wanna go and have cup of coffee? I can use it on injuries there. And I don't think it's an injury that cyclists have, but it's this, you know, the constant hunched over posture where we're just round on the back and the neck. Is yoga a useful tool for starting to alleviate some of that pain and potentially even reducing the risk that turn into an injury? Absolutely. And I think like when I've worked with cyclists before, it's basically the whole, like the whole spine, you know, absolutely there'll be like a rounding. My brother's digging into cycling and like you can see it when he hasn't done anything like he lifts such a rounded upper back, but also lower back issues. And it comes into your core as well. So even though like physically you might think actually it's really in my upper back, it's throughout the body and you really need to kind of look at the body as a whole. So when I'm working with cyclists, I literally do a full, it's a full body work work out really and to help loosen up in some areas, but also strengthening some areas. So for example, that rounding in your back, a lot of people complain with lower back kind of pain or niggles and I've had a number of guys who have niggles and niggles and niggles and then they're like, I've slipped discs and I myself had slipped discs. So I totally understand like the feeling and I understand how it impacts you. The reality is we all, I suppose, learn to adapt to different niggles in our bodies. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right. And that was my point really around that kind of, that's not quitting if you're pulling back on something that's tuning in. And it might actually mean you need to strengthen the core. And that doesn't mean just doing like 50 sit-ups. You know, it's very targeted. Like your core has so many different layers, so many different ways to target it. And it could be a real specific number of exercises. It doesn't necessarily mean doing a lot more. Sometimes it's less but really kind of specific. So targeting your core to help really strengthen your lower back and also helping to release right across your upper back, right up into your neck as well is so so important. But to be honest, Anthony, look, it's into the legs as well. I mean, they're your powerhouse, right? And they're going to get you with that maintenance. But there's also, you know, when your glutes get super, super tight, that links into your back. So it is absolutely all connected. And I would say as well, it's not about being a pro side like this right out in that bike every day. When you do anything like that, my dad has taken up cycling in the last kind of year or two and he's no pro cyclist, but he goes out a couple of times a week and he would notice it.
I started to notice it in his body where I could see like muscles starting to tighten. If you don't stretch out your calves and your hamstrings, get into those glutes a bit over time, that's where, you know, it does start to give you those nickels and those twinges, which if not looked after, can go into quite a serious injury. I feel we're in such a sports science-driven era in cycling where every single thing is monitored, distances monitored, heart rate is monitored, how hard I'm pushing on the pedals, is monitored through pressure. And then you're feeding all that back into the coach and he's building this macro picture of that or for your fitness is that, for your fatigue is that. But what none of that can capture is how your body fails. And we're moving into this new era of, you know, me and you chatting, although we're both in Dublin on Zoom. So we're on the bike and then we're back in an office chair all day. Both very similar, constrictive constraint positions, statually compounding effect has to prove pretty problematic. Absolutely. And I think that's where it's so hard. It's like harder than ever because I think, you know, it's like that turning up for a class is easier. You book yourself in and you're like, right, I will go to yoga. Rather than you come back off the bike and then you're like, sit down at the laptop and it's like, oh yeah, I'll stretch it. Now in a few minutes, I'll do that after it. and it doesn't happen. But I think it's really just a mental push through as well. It should be part of your cycling. It's like I used to work with a number of professional teams in London when I lived there. And yoga was part of their training. It was like you kind of went straight from the pitch into yoga. If you didn't go to yoga, not only did you not play, you didn't play. It was so such a key part. And that's where it's just a mindset shift, right? So your training is not as your bike ride. It's when you get off and it's, but I think I'm supposed to be fair. Like it's hard to know what to do, right? You know, because like- And that's why problem, definitely. Yeah, like my husband would say that the other time, like, oh, you know, I'm sore here. I'm sore there. Like, what do I do? Like whereas if you're not, if you don't know, exactly what you're saying, you're kind of like, oh God, I won't bother. You know, it's, there's, the great thing is though, there's a couple of really simple exercises. that you can do that have quite a good impact in a quite quick space of time. So it's about picking the four or five things that work for you, rather than being like, right now I need to do yoga for an hour or a stretch or what. It's about really understanding, you know, here are four or five things I can do that can take me 10 minutes, like 10 minutes will make a huge difference in terms of how you're going to feel the next day. So to bring this interview back full circle to where we started, we talked about in physical yoga houses or yoga rooms, that there's a vast difference between a good yoga instructor and a poor yoga instructor. When I'm on a cycling rest day or I come in from a session and I'm like yeah I definitely need to do something here but I'd be someone who would go to yoga you know not weekend weekend but I'll occasionally go drop in as often as I can but in this new stay-at-home era. I come in and if the differential is big in the physical space, I feel like the differential online is even wider. There's dudes and you're looking at them gone. There's no way that looks right even in my very limited yoga experience. How do we distinguish the good from the bad? How do we figure out what that 10 minutes should look like for us? Of course, I think, unfortunately, There's not like a quick like place that I can say go here that I'll sort you ace and But I think what I would say is do you know if something doesn't work for you Don't don't feel like you have to stick with us But also don't give up on us You know as much as you can go into a physical yoga studio and try it out and be like oh not really loving that And you can absolutely do the same with online So you know if you know if you've gone to yoga classes before if you know anyone who does yoga I can't actually ask them. I often get messages from people reaching out to me on Instagram saying, Gee, this is going on, can you help me with whatever?
Can you point me in the right direction? So whether I might not have a class suitable, if I do, great. But if I don't, tap into people, I get messages all the time. And I'm sure lots of other yoga instructors do. Because part of what my job is to help people, so physically and mentally help people. Why do I teach yoga? Why do I work in the wellness space? It's to really help people feel better about themselves. So anytime I get a message from someone asking me to point them in the right direction, I'll do my best as I think. Many other yoga teachers as well as well. But where we have the limitations at the moment of maybe not being able to go physically into a yoga studio. We also have a huge opportunity of being able to tap into yoga all around the world, right? So there's plenty of amazing teachers globally that offer stuff and which is a whole other area right that we could dive into but rather than feeling restricted, try it out. There isn't at the moment, so actually maybe we could make this a yoga for cyclists platform where we have our stretches and you can just tap in and there's your 10 minutes depending on how you're feeling it's my back today, it's my legs today. Until we create that space, what I would say is don't be afraid to reach out to people but also So don't be afraid to try different things. Yeah, I think it needs to happen, Julie. You need to make that program because definitely for me, and I know people watching, it's gonna be, you have that snobbery around the different types of yoga, and you have that exclusionary type, and now you're searching in a vastly bigger marketplace online, like I've gone online, search yoga for cyclists, and you've just now trust in the credibility of it. And ultimately, it's like anything, the heart muscle isn't really a toy, and you can do damage. Yeah, and I think that's where being really serious now as a teacher, one of my key things, like I've done a lot of training around anatomy. I was very lucky to kind of have quite advanced training outside of my yoga teaching with like, athletes, sea coaches, performance, endurance. They're really getting into the layers and understanding the body. So when I'm physically in a room, seeing people, like you can see what's going on in their bodies and when it's online, you can't. So like that's why I love I work a lot one-to-one with people because you can still get that precision and but as you say You like you have to be so careful like there with anything what movement at the moment So what I would say is go with your gush until I create this platform If something doesn't feel right in your body, you know, like don't don't push through it Especially just one key point like whether you never ever do yoga If you're doing any movement and it goes into your knees stop because if you damage your knees like it's so so hard like things like you know you're back and stuff like we you know I would I would I would also say pull back but people do kind of persevere but your knees are something that when damage is done there it'll have a huge impact for a long time. And just to finish up on this one Julie is there a way you'd recommend people integrate yoga into their daily practice is a best-o on first thing in the morning post-ride pre-rise or does it I think it's very personal. It's like I'm a morning person, right? I get up in the morning, I've loads of energy, when I'm doing yoga I prefer to do it in the morning. My husband, for example, not a hope, like he needs to be up for a few hours and then would do some. So I think it's really important to build it into what you know about yourself and when you kind of operate best. Some people love it in the evening, I'm too tired. So first of all go with what works best for you, like when's the right time for you, and also what works in your day. Like different days you're going to feel different, right? If you went day for big cycle yesterday, you're going to feel very different today than you will tomorrow or the day before you went for cycle. So what I would say is look at your day and see when it works. And the other thing I would do is pop it in your calendar, like hold yourself accountable. So much of I said we were talking earlier on about like it's really important to challenge yourself and it's really important to be aware that like I've went to pull back. But it's so so important to hold yourself accountable. So just because you can't go out and go into the other studio, you can ask that you pop it in your diary and that does not make.
Like that is your, it's you know what else in your week would you not make your meeting with your boss or whatever. This is your time and it's so important that you don't move that. So whether you're doing it at seven o'clock in the morning, two o'clock, ten o'clock at night doesn't matter. Have it in your diary and that's your time and get up and do us. I think that's a great tip and I've started doing that blocking off bits of my Google calendar right now. That's like It might be just reading or it might be just a morning routine or trying to be mindful or it could be literally noting, like a noting one there, but it's me time. And someone will say, you know, well, can we chat as 12, 15? I look at the calendar and go, ooh, got a meeting and a cab move right there. Exactly. And it's, you know, because it's yourself and it's your time, like, I'm hands up so guilty of that being like, yeah, sure, like, you know, I'll have my share later or whatever it is, I plan. with the new board and things like that but it is so important to protect that time and you know that's where like honestly mindfulness is and meditation whatever you want to call it at the moment is really really important because that really helps us to tune into ourselves to listen into ourselves and to prioritize ourselves like I do like a weekly class now where on a Sunday evening I call it the pause and we do just mindfulness for 20 minutes meditation you call it what you like And I always kind of set it up so that people feel like it's their kind of reset button, their recharge, so that they go into their week knowing that they have to take time for themselves, to continue that as they go through the week. And honestly, you'll feel so much better for us, when you start kind of pulling yourself up there as a priority on your to-do list, so that your mental health and your physical health combine. And then it's things like when when you're on your bike, like you will feel better, you will perform better, whether you're in a race or whether you're just heading out for your cycle on your own. Julie, I could chat for the next couple of hours but I know you're a super busy girl. If people want to continue following the journey or is it possible for them to join your weekly reset class, what's the best way to do both of those? Absolutely. So I suppose Instagram's probably the easiest. I'm Julie B. Yoga on Instagram. Julie B. Yoga, I'll link it all up down below. Julie, it was a fascinating chat. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. Before you go anywhere, our first ever Row Man Summit had aired back in December. I brought together 30 experts and they shared with me their secrets on how to biohack your physiology, how to melt away body fat and smash your cycling goals, whatever that was. Since airing that back in December, I've just been in on days of my Instagram, DM's, Twitter direct messages, with requests to get access to this material. had it locked up in the vault. But I've decided to open access to this material for you, the podcast listeners at the Roadman podcast. So to get access to this, it's a one-time payment of €47 and you're gonna have all the interviews, all those secrets forever. You're gonna have the videos and the MP-Trees. In there, I've got interviews, World Tour mechanics, nutritionists, sport psychologists, boig fit experts, and some of the legends at a sport like Tyler Hamilton and Pete Sten. over 30 hours of content in this members area that I've created for you guys. So if you wanna get access to that, the way to do it, it's to head on over to this URL, www.roadmansomit.com forward slash 2021. I'll give you that again. It's www.roadmansomit.com forward slash 2021. That's numerical. The link to that is in the bio. Get it, check it out, learn it, take it in, because this is sure to set you on the right path for 2021.