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THE CLOSEST TOUR DE FRANCE FINISH EVER (AND VUELTA STAGE 2)

30:18·19 August 2024

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Welcome back we are here for the start of our VTA daily podcast which…

Welcome back we are here for the start of our VTA daily podcast which is going to be coming to you for the next three weeks today we're going to unpack all of the action from stage two we'll have a little look back at the time trial as well but we couldn't talk about the tour we couldn't not talk about the Tour of France F aex WFT up the W finish today cassan numad versus Demi wering the closest Tour of France finish in history we're going to dive into all that one second first quick word from our sponsors whoop whoop is a wearable health and fitness coach that provides you feedback and actionable insights into your sleep your recovery your training stress and your overall health it gives you an insight into what's going on with your body these scores really help inform my training they tell me when I can push her and when I need to back off we're hopefully going to have the rer data from inside the wel espania from the athletes J in the welta so I'm looking forward to seeing that but 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closest tour to France of all time was friend the show Greg lemon in 1989 we have those iconic images from the Shan as Leon is across the line Fon waiting to come in and they counting down eight seconds to win the Tour of France this was equally as dramatic and was it 4 seconds in the end it was 4 seconds it was as dramatic but unfortunately and as much as I absolutely love the coverage that we get of the races of the Riders it's really exceptional we were a little bit in the dark and we were kind of commentating that we were saying to each other that it was pity the commentators didn't really have kind of a a virtual GC standing as it went along now I know it's very difficult to do that in the moment things are happening very very quickly but these the producer needed to producer needed to come in and be like oh this you know give this time Gap out because we we were kind of a little bit well as Spectators we were trying to do the mats on cuz going into the stage the Gap was so numida had the yellow Jersey and she was 27 seconds ahead of poke Peters but the one that really matters for this finish it was Demi voling ass in e place at a minute and 15 and also uh Royers at a minute and 13 seconds they were the big characters they were the two that were up the road and Cassie numad is chasing but the problem with all that was we're also trying to calculate then in real time what the Gap is and adding in the bonus seconds of 10 six and four on the line and trying to do the maths ourselves my brain was fright yeah could it was super tense but it could have been more tense if the commentator played slightly different yeah it was it was just so the whole thing was absolutely amazing look I we everybody loves Cassie and new do in The Paton she gives a lot to the sport do as does Demi Demi is another one who is she's probably the most famous female Rider at the moment just signed a huge deal with Nike for many many years so it's great to see these people getting paid and the appreciation of all the hard work and effort that they put in so um yeah we went in she managed to keep that 4 second Gap over Jamie wering jamy attacked on the Cog Landon and in the uh in the uh interviews after Cassie said that on that climb she was having these really really serious moments of doubt and pain and couldn't follow she couldn't follow and she was just going of thinking wow this this could be all over for me and she managed to just kind of fight I mean if you want to see true pain face you think you're giv it all on your group ride on a Saturday when you go the spin and you're trying to stay on that wheel in front of you you want to see your true two true pain face go check out the last 10 minutes of the race because cassia was in The Hurt Locker so was Demi and so with Demi we had this other Rider Pina Roy sorry my pronunciation is probably completely off there another Dutch rer riter she's with h fenx tonic so they were very very close to actually beating cassia and there was this as per usual cat Mouse who's going to ride who's not going there was much cat Mouse Demi done 99% of ride she but she was kind of saying she was constantly turning around to Pina saying come on do do a turn they're both Dutch Dutch yeah they would they would have come up they came up together in the racing so um yeah Nea started that line by 43 seconds behind that front du and as I said she fought tooth and nails to defend her lead and in the last kilometer we saw another Rider iisha music she's an F DJ Zeus Swiss Rider she's a French Rider so she was kind of in front of a home crowd she was really really fighting hard for third place on the stage today and kind of go up a little bit which she got exactly so that whole time cassia was trying to really encourage Aisha to do a little bit more riding for her and then eventually she visha pipped Cassie on the line now there was huge drama wasn't there for about 20 seconds after for me I seen criticism online of Roy Acres that she should have relayed a bit more with Demi Demi I think she done The Classy thing when you have better legs when you're riding for the Tour of France overall you just ride you can't keep constantly turning around and pumping the brakes trying to get some true like they'll ride if they want to ride well that's it if they had started doing that if they started messing around at the front cassia would have you know she would have the Gap would F the Gap CL faster you the criticism is a little bit unfounded because Demi does 99% of the riding up the climb and then still wins the Sprint so if Roy Acres had legs she would have won the Sprint she was obviously hanging on for their life I think that's the difference between like being a you know an armchair fan of the sport and someone who's sat in the wheel and experience that like it makes sense it's in both their interests they're both going into first and second in GC in the S of France and whatever order they can decide on the line but if you can't ride you can't ride you're just pained I can't ride I can't come out with a whale I want to help you I can't yeah it would have been very interesting if um if if the time so Aisha music got the fourth four extra bonus points seconds seconds that could have all gone completely wrong for cassia because she just beat her kind of on the line in the last Sprint you know if there was if she had if she really needed those points to hold on to the win so it was absolute drama and it was absolutely amazing and the TR France f is here for a long time to stay we move on to the time yeah okay so inos grenadiers launched from we've moved on to the from love back to Welter so Welter kicked off yesterday we're going to do everyday live is the plan and we didn't cover the T you know there's probably not a full podcast in the TT either a little bit boring I'm geeking out on them because I'm in TT mode at the moment but we'll do a little quick recap the TT and then we'll move on to today's drama and W taking the stage or taking the Jersey today which was brilliant a little bit of kind of news I like to go through what's been going on in the Publications over the last 24 hours it's come out in uh one of the publication cycling news I think that in us grenadiers this journalist was looking at the bikes going around the padic looking at the bikes and it looks like anyos grenadiers have got no paint on large portions of the carbon frame of their bikes that's not going to save anyos inos are crumbling that lack of paint's going to just show the cracks in the whole inos Foundation they've been working with uh Formula 1 uh aerodynamicist and they're basically pulling out all stops anys IE left them probably they're always into these tiny tiny marginal gains but two of the Riders of note that are using these bikes which have very so on the carbon they have a lacquer a clear lacquer so you can just see the it looks like it's just raw carbon and they've got a very light coating of paint on the frame as well and um Rodriguez is using this as is Josh charling so it says that be perhaps because the two Riders are a little bit taller in stature they're using larger and heavier frames and they're looking for all those tiny tiny you know R reduction of weight and arrow uh gains that they can get so I wonder is it any more fragile because Josh tling hit the ground at about 4 km to go today so be interesting to see yeah tling hasn't had a good couple of days we'll get into that really quickly before we move on I know there's a lot of interest in this because UAE team and Emirates refined almost 4,000 Euro because the Riders all wore a special kit onto sign on it was a special it had yellow and it had pink on it and that was to Mark pacha's Juro tour double so each of them were fined 500 Swiss Franks and docked 15 UCI points a piece for wearing an unauthorized J Jersey during the team presentation in Lisbon so that's kind of interesting know the piece at the moment Swiss frank is very strong at the moment oh is it really yeah really is really strong Tom I don't know it just feels like the UAE team Emirates have Deep Pockets I don't think that will hurt them too much I'm sure they knew they were going to get a fine for that so and they were just like yeah let's go for yeah these jerseys we've seen this with sedal quickstep or now sedal quickstep T-rex or something for T-Rex quickstep that's the new formal name it's nonsense like you hate this I just hate it it cheapens the brand so much like think about you know I grew up as a football fan would you ever get Arsenal rebranded for the Champions League you know they're man united T-Rex for the Champions League this season it's nonsense there's no pride in the brand they're not building any brand equity in the franchise and that's why as cand fans we reconnect to cycling teams we connect to individuals you know you're a big rugit fan you don't stay following yumbo after rugit leaves you're now following Red Bull so I just think it's terrible and you know I come back to it all the time but the only team that's done it well even though they're not a pro cycleland team it's Legion they're like a Cony team out in the US but they're the only team that's building some brand equity in the actual brand I don't know why there's not a team that steps up and has some pride in trying to build a brand and every time they do this putting dinosaurs on the front of the Jersey like it it was kind of cool at the start when EF done it a few years ago with the palace collab but it's just so tried and done now that I think it's nonsense in an era where we're talking about sustainability all the time to totally Rebrand buses cars all their apparal they're K it's just yeah it would be amazing to see some kind of continuity going on for like 10 15 years in a team and what you know following that journey I completely agree with you I think anyone who listens to the podcast religious will know that Anthony talks about this roughly about it every eight weeks it really grind curious do you have the TD results yeah so the TT results from yesterday the top give me the top three or four okay perfect so in number one uh the time trial took him 12 minutes and 35 seconds and that was the American champ Brandon molti and that absolutely killer Stars and Stripes Jersey I think that was so cool second him little track driver he was to seconds behind you call him a driver did I cyclist a car wouldn't go as fast as these Lads Matas vachek and yeah he's a little bit of an unknown riter for me um then in third we had white van art fourth we had Stefan Kung and then we had team Vima Lisa bik again one of White's teammates Eduardo affini and yeah that was kind of the top five yesterday did you enjoy the time trial yeah didn't up it Drew up a couple of surprises but I know Josh tling was super hyped yeah going into the time TR he was the out and out book's favorite and maybe he underperformed like Josh turling is sixth the the problem with this stuff is we're not close enough occasionally I get a glimpse to be close enough I chat to a rer chat to his team be like oh how's s going ahead of the race but generally as a fan of the sport we're not close enough to what's going on tling was the de facto Olympic time trial Champion if you do the calculations he would have been the Olympic gold medalist but for a puncture and the kid is only 20 he specializes in time trials it's two weeks ago since he missed out on that medal at the Olympics and he hasn't been in a good place mentally since that his training hasn't gone well since that we only found out all that afterwards he seemed like a wreck of a lot in the interview like I really felt sorry for him like the way that the world's on he seemed devastated like if we hadn't known how poorly he dealt with the loss of that Olympic medal we would the hyped them as the favorite so I think he performed basically as we could have expected given his runin to it I mean what else would we have learned from that t about the GC contenders open the time trial because this is not much longer than it's it's a prologue essentially I think the opening time trial it's like the opening scene in like a Shakespearean play or something like no big drama unfolds but you get a little Glimpse as to how the story is going to unfold so if we start looking down at Brandon mcnalty you know he's going to be a non-player and he's going to be in support of Yates for and Almeida for the duration of the three weeks so he didn't learn much there bck he was I think 11th he pipped Ryan Mullen Ryan Mullen was 12th in the Olympic TT his prep obviously went super well he great legs that day again we didn't learn much he's going to be largely in support of Tio gagen Hart W didn't learn much again when we start learning stuff is down at Primos rogl only 17 seconds back in eighth place crashed out the Tour of France would have brok con verterra we weren't sure if he was going to be able to sit in that position we weren't sure if he was going to be able to generate power how his preparation went what we learned is his preparation went pretty well and rogl is here for his fourth welta espania and only one Rider has ever won it four times before so he's stepping into history Jo almea in 10th place as well only two seconds behind rugit you're starting to see how the GC guys stack up so really impressed with Almeida but SE cus I think was victim of this we don't have Cuss as result on but I think he lost roughly 50 seconds 30 seconds or so back on RIT 35 I think back on RIT my recollection but you know that's a blow for the defending Champion already to be given away that much time so I think when you're looking at the results you can look at it almost through the eye of GC and think okay what are we learning about these guys SE C did come out today after that TT results before the stage and say and he basically said that Lala is always decided in the main so he's not stressing about this yeah he I mean even his style on the TT bike is it's not as fluid it's not as smooth he's he's not a TT Rider so yeah uh okay so then we we already covered Josh tling we know that that was kind of disappointing the other thing that I noticed is that little Tre weren't wearing bont Trager helmet even though that's the helmet sponsor I don't knower do a TT helmet okay or if they do it's maybe not a very fast TT helmet I not that as well cuz vek wore a HCK Arrow helmet and then T wor M helmet and they both wore them unbranded with all the labels and stuff taken off them but yeah time helmets are super important for your coefficient of frontal drag now I'm time TR bike at the moment just got one a couple of weeks ago and I'm really geeking out on it so a lot of the Riders like Remco who are sponsored by specializ they get a helmet they put it on them and then they have to make their body fit the helmet for amateurs it's the opposite way around you can go to a wind tunnel you can go to someone like Matt botra who's an amazing bike fitter and he will tell you what helmet is best for your you know particular physique but most teams have to be just sponsor compliant but whatever's going on at little trick they've said to Lads you know you've caught blanch to wear the fastest helmet for your body shape so I say there's a marginal gain in that for the lads but you know antio gagan done a good job as well he was one of the ones who I would have said came out of that time trial with you know te gag came 26 at 31 seconds back which is you know just over 10 seconds back on rogl which is a super ride from him so how much has to do with the helmet how much is do with the legs suspect it's more legs than helmet but yeah it say so okay so let's get into today's stage two so today's stage two started in kakas and finished in orm wz who's a fluent Portuguese speaker was trying to coach me on how to say them I think I got the wrong but 191 km was a c 4 climb near start and then we had a spicy you know if only in the WTA could a 7.1 km climb average 3.3% be a category 4 climb and that was looked spicy enough from TV and that was with 19.1 KM to go but this was going to be a stage for the sprinters because there's only two stages for the sprinters in the entire vaa really that's today and that's tomorrow and that's why we've seen such a bad roster of sprinters coming to you know we can't really call W forer A Sprinter Kaden Groves is Maybe the only Sprinter Corbin strong from Israel the only real sprinters that are going to they're really going to suffer for the next three weeks to have two opportunities wouldn't be surprised to see them going home at the end of the first week yeah another person we saw going home unfortunately had to abandon due to the crash is Dylan Van barl disaster yeah P Ru winner key lieutenants for sep coost in the defense of his Vela C obviously coming into this off the back of his Vela boros win so he's good legs he'd be absolutely goated van barl as a man who can paper over some serious cracks whether it's Crosswinds chaseing breakes you know he's a he's a Swiss army knife to have in the team and to lose him in a feed Zone crash if yeah exactly oh and I think he he must be absolutely devastated listen this guy is as tough as old boots as well unless this was very very serious he wouldn't be abandoning the V day yeah an elow problem okay I have loads of questions about what unfolded today so we saw the break was it went as Spanish break to it always is isn't it they mo of it see they get these Wild Card entries and then their director must have like a gun to their head you need to get in the break today to get television time absolute suicide mission today it was never going to stick on you know as we said two opportunities for sprinters so it was always going to be a Sprint day today but they had to go out and try they went out they they were just over five minutes at one point you know but how do we know how does the chasing group know when is the perfect time to actually to like to make the catch yeah they got it badly badly wrong today you don't want to so the break goes so the races normally takes quite a formulaic setup so chaos at the start to establish a breakaway today it rolled away pretty easy but generally it's a bit of chaos to establish a breakaway break goals they let them get a huge amount of time they can chill in the bunch for a while and then they start a process of reeling them in ideally you want to catch them as late as possible when the speed is as high as possible to avoid a Counterattack because the last thing you want after Chasing two guys up the road so you know Vima Lisa bike took a lot of responsibility for WTH V today cuz they suped he could take Bon a seconds which will put him into the jersey and that's why they took a lot of responsibility exactly yeah so they rote all day and they really backed W and W's one of the best riders in the world for saying back me and I'll deliver and because he does every single time but they're on the front all day you know the Riders up there just tapping out a rhythm like hessing vanar would have been important before he CRI just tapping out Rhythm all day to control that break to bring it back the last thing they want is that was caught a 50 km to go the last thing they want is now a counter gone with salair and these guys which almost happened because now you get four or five fresh legs up the road and trying to bring that back it's a lot more strenuous than bringing two Riders who've been out there cooking for 190 km yeah cuz there was a few people in that they that's where they had to close down fast like that's a forest fire like that could have been a team time trial effort away from the pal on at that stage like if four or five Lads go away with fresh legs haven't sat in the bunch all day it puts a strain on Lisa bike to control that especially with a lack of Sprinter teams as well they're going to get some help from the other two Sprinter teams but very little because everyone knew W wanted the Jersey today so you need to put out a forest fire fast so the best way to stop a forest fire is to stamp out that spark before it even gets going so that's what they were doing making sure anything that went like that move with cair I think Stephan tried to jump across to it as well that had to come back fast before it got established so they really got it wrong today and I think that was almost accidental cuz the guys up front weren't as strong as maybe they anticipated and the speed kind of ramped up in the run into that intermediate Sprint as well which shut it down almost accidentally that intermediate Sprint it was the two kind of main sprinters of lalta how much of an indicator is are these intermediate Sprints as to how the Sprint Jersey is actually going to play out over you know I know we I know we're kind of a little bit in on Sprints this over the next couple look it was a pretty good indicator as you know as the stage went because Kaden Groves the two Lads were up the road still but Kaden Groves got third in the Sprint and W got for and they turned out to be the you know first in second on the stage so yeah it was a pretty good indicator sometimes in the Tour of France it's hard to know because you just don't know if you don't know somebody sprinting at like 60% 70% 80% capacity we've seen Cavendish in years where he's been super d in the final Sprints really mailing in in those intermediate Sprints so it really it it's hard to tell it depends but it does look like Kaden Groves is faster than W art in those straight up Sprints but I'd imagine he's going to find it very difficult to hold on to the green jersey over three weeks because W's going to get over climbs to Kaden isn't and Kaden I wouldn't say I'll even get to final stage then just going back to the break when the break is caught let's say those two guys the average pace of the race is quite slow why what's motivating teams like Aisa bike uh to conic to ride from 50 km out because the pace kind of slowly increases that what's the motivation there why don't they just go until 10K to go and then ramp it up it's it's position really it's the thing so you're riding and we seen at one point was one of the UAE Riders looking across to one of the Vima Lisa bike riders and he just gestured to him like Slow Down slow down because they both had Road position and it's like you don't need to be drilling at 350 wats on the front if you have Road position you only need to go as fast like you need to go the minimum speed to Hold Your Position is what you should be trying to do at 50k Out full gas on the front makes absolutely no sense even a hard Tempo on the front makes no sense if there's no one up the road and if you're not being challenged for a position the problem becomes you start getting swamped Riders go oh this is pretty easy I can move up in the wind and they start moving up and swamping you and that's when you need to keep the pace a little bit higher but also you want to keep position into Spain and the we that is notorious for these wide Highway sections but then the wide Highway sections inevitably exit into narrower roads you could go from four lanes wide to one lane wide very fast so you need to have position into those as well so you're not caught at the back of that and get that elongated elastic effect because it's really hard to move up then okay so talk us kind of through the Sprint in the last it was a weird type Sprint I thought a done a great job Lisa all day they controlled the race and they still had legs in the finish for aeni to come up and really controlled the last kilometer and no one came out off over the top of aeni it looked like at one point they were going to get crowded but aeni had enough in his legs or people were hesitant to come around W I anticipate or I predict maybe that people felt that W wasn't sprinting for the win I didn't look at w and think he was sprinting For the Win w sprinted like a lad who was sprinting for a Podium for bonus seconds because he only needed bonus seconds to take the Jersey he looked like a lad who was a lead out man rather than sprinting for the win and I think people were scared to come over the top of w because they knew he was going to go early so it made sense to occupy that bubble behind W and then surf off him and that's exactly what we seen uh Kaden Groves doing and Corbin strong to a lesser extent they waited for w to kick W you could see him looking around he was nervous not to get boxed in because he need to occupy a Podium step to take the 10 six or four bonus seconds to take the jersey and once you seen that kind of aeni pulling off he kicked early and he effectively lead leaded out to Sprint and you know it worked super well because he took second on the stage taking six bonus points and the Jersey overall but for me it was a Sprint that yeah lacked lacked that I want to win the stage vo to it well he he basically did what he set out to do he's in the red jersey and looks great on him they had a plan and they executed it perfectly yeah absolutely it's amazing okay so I'll quickly run through the results uh so the stage as we spoke about kyden Groves behind him white van art then we had Corbin strong from Israel Premier Tech H pow Miguel Delgado Leonard andelt from Lao Destiny so they were kind of the top five um following on then we had the Mountain Stage this was kind of interesting because Stefan Kong went into the mountain Jersey really because he came worth in in the no CLS yesterday no clim Yer so he wore the climb he wor the mountain Jersey all day today and he really fought for to get a couple of points as well he went look maybe he committed and he painted his shoes last night or something so he's like aaz I get another day they wrapped his bike you know he's going to get tomorrow out of it as well we not to tomorrow in a minute but he's going to get another day out of it I would say yeah I'll be I'll be shouting Stephan Kung on yeah he's an unlikely Mountain points Jersey go okay and then the Sprints uh Sprint points we obviously have Kaden Groves white fer behind him Matas vek behind him and then Brandon magnotti in fourth and uh Lou Angel Mas yeah they're a bit pointless after it's only top two matter than that the rest are coming from points from the TT and then finally GC we have white fer in first behind him Brandon magnotti and Matas fatek in third and actually interestingly we' seen vek who's wearing the white jersey for the young ryer competition at the moment he seemed to get tangled up with a fan about 19 20K to go on the forth category 7 kilm long climb and it looked like there was a bit of an Argy bargy between him and the fan I'm not sure if a flag got caught in this wheel do a bike change it looked like a flag got caught in his rear Mech that's what it looked like to me but it yeah it did it did look like Matas was having a a proper word with this guy and and it looked to me like other fans were holding back the fan like he was trying to get into it the commissar has done him no favors because they moved those they created like a blockhead they moved out all the team cars for him to chase held his car back allowed other cars to pass only at speed it took him forever get back on yeah it took him forever to get back on so a little bit of reaction after Kaden Grove said basically he had a very hard year not having had a win yet and came in super motivated to change that he said I had an injury in the spring and missed a lot of racing returned to the jro but wasn't fast enough to beat Jonathan Milan so he's obviously absolutely thrilled with that win and white said of course I wanted to win the stage my team did a really good job to make it a bunch of Sprint it's unfortunate to arrive second but also today I knew arriving in the first three made meant the red jersey so after all it's a good day so tomorrow we are continuing the VA espia we're starting in LCA and we're going castellio Branco 182 km we have a category 2 climb with 107 km to go we have an intermediate Sprint with 51k to go and we have a fourth category climb with 42k to go that's 6.4 km at 3.1 3.4% this is going to be our second opportunity for the sprinters I expect a rerun of today maybe the exact same finishing order as well yeah wait and then we're into the mountains yeah folks thank you for tuning in we're going to be back tomorrow and every day for the next three weeks for live welta espania updates as soon as the stage is finished if you can't wait till tomorrow there's another video up here which I know you're going to love and take one second and click on the link down here to subscribe to the channel That way you're not going to miss out on any our live shows

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